I know a lot of pua stuff is marketing so if you say looks matter, you instantly lose thousands of potential customers. I'm not saying pua isn't real but is there proof that as a guy, looks don't matter as much. How does guys like Arash Dibazar get girls. Does he use his money or pre-election

I'd like proof, to put this idea to rest. Maybe sperm wars mentions it? Is there a specific point of reference we can use as a consensus. Even in Robert Greene Book (art of seduction) says looks don't matter but I don't really see this is reality. I see girls go after tall guys, that are extremely fit. I feel that if someone tells me height, or any particular size of our bodies doesn't matter goes against a lot of the science I've read up on for attraction. I'd love to be proven wrong. Personally guys, I feel like I don't measure up. Even thkigh girls always tell me great things about my looks. I have to distanxe myself frln the question. Look at it objectively. I'm asking this in a strong way, not a weak way. Is not being as tall limiting? I have seen some pua's on here that are like 5'9 get really hot girls.

Look up the following videos on Youtube:

simple pickup picking up girls in a fat suit
simple pickup nerds pick up girls

1. You don't have to be good looking, but you do have to look good. Basically hygiene is important.

2. You're asking in a weak way and you know it - you're trying to make out that science is against you, because then you can rest comfortably in your weak existence and reject any of the blame. There isn't a "strong way" to ask this question, really. Confidence, status, value, hygiene.... those all matter, and I can already tell that you're missing the first 3 (don't worry, you're probably thinking "No I am not!" but it's painfully obvious, with the limiting beliefs, that you're not exuding any of these qualities)

3. My best friend is 5ft 5" and he has fucked around 40 girls this year (he was in a relationship for the whole of January, and has been since the end of August; do the maths ) I'm 6ft 3" and I'm on less ( relationship from January - April)

4. Instead of trying to blame your failures on things that you've got no control over... read How To Win Friends & Influence People, the first chapter talks about how its in human nature to talk b*llshit rather than accept any kind of blame. It is more because your game is bad, than your looks. Natural looks are about 10% of it, the only looks that really make an impact are the areas that you can change; posture, hygiene, eye contact etc ....I'd say they all come into looks.

5. RSDTyler, Adam Lyons, Style, Mystery, Corey Wayne, Justin Wayne, Mehow, SimplePickup , Gambler<-- all average/worse looking. You could disagree and tell me that Gambler or Adam Lyons are good looking, to which I'd tell you to go and check out how they looked before (Gambler has a transformation video, Adam Lyons has old pictures of himself everywhere) and you'll see that its only how they dress, how they carry themselves and how happy they look

6. The first thing that you need to assume, is that EVERYTHING you've ever learned about attraction, is fucking wrong. The "Science" you've read up on!? Ok, do you really think these "scientists" are bangin' 10's every night?

7. I've got skinny arms/legs and a pretty fat belly... girls think I'm pretty hot these days... confidence.

Sorry to shoot you down so bad, but I'm sick of the question. If you want something, make it happen.

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Looks only matter for that initial approach. If you suck... it doesn't matter how you look. The girl will see right through your bullshit.

Example... You go to buy a Ferrari. Salesman shows you the car... Your dick gets a little hard because of how sexy that car looks.

He says "Let's take it for a test drive."

He starts up the car... And you hear this nice pitch of a 4 cylinder Honda underneath the hood. No matter how good that car looks... You're not gonna buy it. It's gonna turn you off right away.

That's what happens when a "hot" guy who just plain fucking sucks on the inside walks up to a girl.... Girls will say it all the time about a guy who they think is "sexy"... "If he just didn't open his mouth.."

A lot of attractive guys are at a disadvantage because of their looks. They are pretty boys! Pretty boys don't provide any value for girls in nature. Being good looking doesn't put bread on the table, it doesn't protect her from rapists, it doesn't solve her problems, it doesn't give her any resources to help her survival.

Being good looking doesn't do shit for girls. Yeah, they may like how some guys look, and that gets them in the door, but it doesn't turn her on. It turns her on when you show alpha characteristics, and you can be ugly as fuck but still have them.

exactly what was said here, fishnwomen always good advice. Its a foot in the door but by no means is it the same as being an attractive female to men. Women's downfall (and our luck) comes from the fact that they're not shallow when it comes to the looks department. Though you better have something going for you.

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Looks don't matter is a pua mantra that started back in the day on the players guide from alt sed, there was even a disclaimer at the top of the players guide that was talking about how your genetics are out of your control so you have to do the best you can with what you got

some dating coaches have tried to misconstrue that for their own financial gain, but basically women are not blind, physical attraction is very real for both men and women, when it comes to pickup though, looks don't matter in the sense that how you look doesn't decide that you will go talk to that girl you think is cute, how you look won't give you the confidence to ask someone on a date, being good looking won't help you be more spontaneous or funny etc, you have to build your skills to pick up women because your looks are not your skill, they don't matter, they are related to the first impression you make but for a man confidence is what will lead you to sexual success, more-so then anything else

it's too easy to just reach a conclusion that you can't do something because it is challenging for you, and giving up on dating because you view yourself poorly is an easy way, to just absolve yourself of responsibility and place the blame for your inaction on some sort of arbitrary circumstance that is out of your control

in other words, a lot of guys could start a relationship with some girls who they believe they have no chance with, because their own insecurities hold them back, they might think they are not good looking enough because they want to find a reason to not meet someone so they don't have to risk feeling judged, but if they just had some more confidence in themselves and presented themselves in a better light, they would do just fine

If you adopt the pick-up way of thought, then you just have to release that notion and just rely on the idea that with a good enough first impression anything is possible and you never know if someone is or isn't attracted to you, until you actually meet them and get to know them for yourself, how you look will not do that for you and assuming that looks are completely irrelevant can only help you further your dating goals since it encourages you to focus on actually creating an enjoyable experience for the girls in your life and giving love a chance instead of just leaving your dating life up to fate. hoping that some girl just chooses you cause of a physical preference, it gives you the motivation to improve yourself in other areas of your life and that is a great thing my friend, because we are all attracted to status, better looking, more important, more access to resources etc.

the more likeable/bigger/better/sleeker/stealthier/newer/shiner the person compared to others, the more people will want to sleep with them, works that way for both genders but with there being several differences between the sexes in that regard and their motivations for sleeping with someone (this is where pua comes in)

They matter. An attractive guy has an advantage over his less attractive counterpart. The more attractive you are the more leeway you have to mess up. Girls generally are attracted to looks first. All the evolutionary caveman stuff aside, we are creatures that are shaped by society. society places more value on attractive people. And, if you want to go caveman tribal stuff, an attractive guy signals more success with other women, life and attractive offspring that would have easier lives than non attractive offspring. This question is like asking if having a Headstart in a race matters. It does, but not getting a Headstart means you have to work harder to win. So if you're unattractive you have to be more confident, socially proofed and better than other guys to get success. You just have to work harder. There is no ugly guy who gets hot girls who is just average in other ways. So just work harder.

I see a lot of confused guys on this topic. Natural looks don't matter. Take care of yourself, and you'll be good looking in a womans eyes. Clean, confident, comfortable...

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I grew out of the dumb shit I used to say on here. Most of my posts don't represent who I am today at all.

Looks always matter, its how humans have evolved. They aren't, however, the end-all-be-all. Ever hear of the saying "no matter how hot she is, somewhere out there is a guy who is sick of her shit".

I'm not denying that looks matter to men, but to women... they're about as important as, say, if a girl drives or not; we'd bang them either way, but it would probably make about a 0.5% difference. I know a virgin who is considerably better looking than I am, because he has no confidence and cant make girls laugh.

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I grew out of the dumb shit I used to say on here. Most of my posts don't represent who I am today at all.

Patrice O' Neal..

Fat and ugly, yet full of confidence and slept with tons of women. Not to mention the hot ass girlfriend he was with 7 years before passing away. She was a working class latino girl and he wouldn't even allow her to live with him because he valued his space too much. She would argue about it, but he never gave in and she continued to be with him despite him not complying with her wishes.

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