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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:02 pm 
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If you actually feel in your gut that you are in a point in your life where you want a more serious relationship, then stay true to your feelings. Be vulnerable and express that whether it will cause her to leave or not.

What will make things convoluted is that if you are in the head space of wanting a LTR, you have to do your best to take a step back from the girl and objectively try to judge if she is right for you. Otherwise you might project what you want onto her whether she is actually compatible with you our not.

I'm speaking from what I feel I have to come to know from first hand experience. I recently just got burned pretty hard by a girl that I ended up really liking (or thought I liked). I am starting to come to terms with the fact that I fell in love with the idea of being with her and I chose to overlook the red flags I got along the way.

Playing the hot/cold, push/pull, be unavailable shit CAN work...for awhile. But it is not a sustainable strategy when you are actually looking for something serious. This is where pick up advice fucks guys over. The longer you try to control how she feels by using contrived methods, the worse it's going to hurt when she dumps you because you started becoming yourself.

At the end of the day go for what you want in your gut, whether you think it is right or that it will "work". If it doesn't work, at least you did things on your own terms and you left everything you had on the field.

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Thanks for the advice guys. Going to continue taking it easy and see how it goes. Just got home from Rome will probably see her this week. Texted her this AM see how she was.

Will keep you posted.

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F-closed her 2 nights ago.

Never saw a girl that was wet like that. She said it never happened to her before. Her shirt was full. And I didn't cum so she was once again embarrassed.

She is obviously super super embarrassed. We where both hammered so kind of sad that I didn't give her a better fuck.

And to top it all off I broke a glass next to her bed and walked on it, cut my foot pretty bad so there was blood everywhere.

One crazy night.

She has been super cold/distant since then.

I got 2 movie tickets for free so I invited her tomorrow, she said it would be tough because she needs to work for school.
Obviously bull shit excuse.

How should I react to this?

I want to keep a good frame and don't want to sound needy by texting her even though she shot me down. BUT I also don't want to be distant because it might sound like I'm accepting the fact that something is wrong.

So how should I proceed?

Thanks.

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I disagree with introducing boyfriend shit if she has given you no signs of wanting a relationship.

The best way to snare a girl with commitment issues is to have even bigger commitment issues than her. Let her chase you, don't be too available for her. Be a challenge.

this.

give her the satisfaction of pulling an eligible young bachelor off the market. bang the hell out of her and then make her wonder if you even like her by not hanging out with her for the rest of the weekend. give her just enough nonsexual attention to keep her from giving up on the prospect of snaring you. game other girls on the side and let her know it via social media proofs or even directly texting other women in front of her. that's how it's done. eventually she will hint at talks of a relationship. hint that you will be amicable to it. she'll keep hinting, and then you agree and there it is.

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She has been super cold/distant since then.

I got 2 movie tickets for free so I invited her tomorrow, she said it would be tough because she needs to work for school.
Obviously bull shit excuse.

How should I react to this?

I want to keep a good frame and don't want to sound needy by texting her even though she shot me down. BUT I also don't want to be distant because it might sound like I'm accepting the fact that something is wrong.

So how should I proceed?

Thanks.

i wouldn't text her again. she shot you down. wait until she contacts you. meanwhile invite another girl to the movies and hope that this girl finds out.

your pua instincts are telling you to maintain the frame. your beta emotional side (and we all have it inside us) is saying comfort her and let her know everything's cool. never trust that emotional side. always trust the frame. if it doesn't work out with the frame it was never, ever going to work out in any way.

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DIdn't text her.

Today she friend-requested me on facebook. Waited until pretty late to accept.

She texted me around 11pm:

Her: "Busted just saw you were on Tinder don't worry I 'hearted' you"

Me: "Haha so I guess we are both busted then? :) I'll go check it out not sure i'll 'heart' you back though..."

Her: "As a matter of fact a friend had fun with the app blablabla and I saw I had 15 notifications of losers. Contrary to you, I don't hang out on that app".

Me: "Ahhh really? I personally LOVE these apps and have them ALL! But they used to be better... :( Now they are way to classy... ;)"

Aaaaand thats it for tonight.

Most of my friends wanted me to text her and comfort her that it was OK what we did and that she shouldn't feel bad. I was on the cusp of doing it, glad I didn't.

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DIdn't text her.

Today she friend-requested me on facebook. Waited until pretty late to accept.

She texted me around 11pm:

Her: "Busted just saw you were on Tinder don't worry I 'hearted' you"

Me: "Haha so I guess we are both busted then? :) I'll go check it out not sure i'll 'heart' you back though..."

Her: "As a matter of fact a friend had fun with the app blablabla and I saw I had 15 notifications of losers. Contrary to you, I don't hang out on that app".

Me: "Ahhh really? I personally LOVE these apps and have them ALL! But they used to be better... :( Now they are way to classy... ;)"

Aaaaand thats it for tonight.

Most of my friends wanted me to text her and comfort her that it was OK what we did and that she shouldn't feel bad. I was on the cusp of doing it, glad I didn't.

well done. have faith in the frame. and that's some really good texting too. good neg by playfully hinting you might not heart her back on tinder. also really good use of agreeing with and amplifying her shit test of accusing you of hanging out on the app. you basically agree with her insult and then exaggerate it and blow it out of proportion. that's a golden technique.

so at this stage you want to be light and fun, keep banging her when you can but don't be overly available. make her text you again. make her chase you in general. if she texts again, that's an indicator of interest and you can go back and forth for a sec then invite her to do something fun you've planned by saying "hey i'm going to go do X at (specific time), you should come" (the phrasing is important, you don't want to ask her, you want to be doing it whether she comes with you or not). at this point, either one of three things will happen:

1. she'll agree to go. this will indicate high interest and you go on the date, be light and fun (don't talk about serious shit yet until you're in relationship mode), bang her, then leave early the next morning (you want to seem busy).

2. she'll say she can't go but she'll counteroffer with some other time. chicks are often busy and you shouldn't necessarily take that as a rejection. just agree with the counteroffer and go forth.

3. she'll say she can't go and she won't counteroffer. this is a problem. it means her interest level is low. at this point it's best to go absolutely no contact unless she initiates it, and it's best to let her initiate any kind of hang out. if a girl doesn't counteroffer two times in a row i generally move on.

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DIdn't text her.

Today she friend-requested me on facebook. Waited until pretty late to accept.

She texted me around 11pm:

Her: "Busted just saw you were on Tinder don't worry I 'hearted' you"

Me: "Haha so I guess we are both busted then? :) I'll go check it out not sure i'll 'heart' you back though..."

Her: "As a matter of fact a friend had fun with the app blablabla and I saw I had 15 notifications of losers. Contrary to you, I don't hang out on that app".

Me: "Ahhh really? I personally LOVE these apps and have them ALL! But they used to be better... :( Now they are way to classy... ;)"

Aaaaand thats it for tonight.

Most of my friends wanted me to text her and comfort her that it was OK what we did and that she shouldn't feel bad. I was on the cusp of doing it, glad I didn't.

well done. have faith in the frame. and that's some really good texting too. good neg by playfully hinting you might not heart her back on tinder. also really good use of agreeing with and amplifying her shit test of accusing you of hanging out on the app. you basically agree with her insult and then exaggerate it and blow it out of proportion. that's a golden technique.

so at this stage you want to be light and fun, keep banging her when you can but don't be overly available. make her text you again. make her chase you in general. if she texts again, that's an indicator of interest and you can go back and forth for a sec then invite her to do something fun you've planned by saying "hey i'm going to go do X at (specific time), you should come" (the phrasing is important, you don't want to ask her, you want to be doing it whether she comes with you or not). at this point, either one of three things will happen:

1. she'll agree to go. this will indicate high interest and you go on the date, be light and fun (don't talk about serious shit yet until you're in relationship mode), bang her, then leave early the next morning (you want to seem busy).

2. she'll say she can't go but she'll counteroffer with some other time. chicks are often busy and you shouldn't necessarily take that as a rejection. just agree with the counteroffer and go forth.

3. she'll say she can't go and she won't counteroffer. this is a problem. it means her interest level is low. at this point it's best to go absolutely no contact unless she initiates it, and it's best to let her initiate any kind of hang out. if a girl doesn't counteroffer two times in a row i generally move on.
Ok so there's been some development to the story:

Tuesday she literally texted me all day long. I was busy but would answer when I had time. But she would text me stupid things like when she was in the supermarket, taking selfies of her with her cat, asking questions like if I had tattoo's etc etc. So I answered etc.

Yesterday and today some more texting, but was more light.

So today I figure OK i'll ask her what her plans are for the weekend then offer to do something. She says she doesn't have much to do, so I say OK i'm pretty busy but on Friday night I'm free so we can hang out.

Her "Oh but I have dinner with friends that night".

Me "Okay no problem, text me whenever you want to hang out and we can do something fun."

Her "It would be a pleasure but as you know my position I would like to keep it that way and I'm not sure your looking for the same things as I am".

Me "My position is the same from when we met, not looking for something serious because I'm leaving in a couple of months and pretty busy at the moment."

Her "Didn't remember haha well ok happy to know we are on the same page".

Me "Yeah as I told you I like hanging out with you and keeping it light because we have fun together and I know you have fun too. If ever I get bored of you then we won't see each other again. And vis-versa. My position hasn't changed"

(WOW i'm such a fucking liar)

Her "Perfect"

So that's it for now. Chantos tell me what you think of the whole situation?
This measure bought me a bit of time. Confirmed that I haven't gamed her enough yet and need to continue doing that. I need to detach myself some more from her.

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I think that you need to treat her as a FB that you don't care about losing.
Next time she calls to hook up don't get too flirty or friendly. As soon as she gets through your door have sex with her and as soon as you finish leave and don't tell her where you go and what your plans are.
If you have to take her for a drink, flirt with other women in front of her and introduce her as a friend. Go overboard with flirting with the other women. She has no right to react. You are even allowed to kiss someone else in front of her. At the end of the night take her home, have sex with her and ask her to leave after round 1. Don't even give her round 2. If she leaves before you are ready to take her home to have sex continue staying at the bar. It means that what you do it is working really well.
If she complains remind her that she asked to be FB and you want to stick to your agreement because there were issues appearing.. and point her the last conversation you had.
I am sure she will start bargaining for more attention.
With this attitude you will dethrone her. Now with all this flirting she feels important and in her mind she perceives you as the one that chase after her and herself as a higher value person.
If you see that she persists and doesn't want more of attention, suggest a threesome with another woman. Refuse a threesome with another man if she wants to "keep it fair" between you. At anytime she complains that you are not as nice as before remind her your latest conversation that she reminded you that she doesn't want a relationship.. Tell her that you are only sticking to your agreement.
She asked to have sex only and be used for sex only. Let her experience what she asked.
I guarantee you she will freak out and start acting emotional.. Keep reminding her that she is not your gf. Tell her that you care about her and you want her happy. And keep doing what you were doing until she demands a relationship because she can't handle it...


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Tuesday she literally texted me all day long. I was busy but would answer when I had time. But she would text me stupid things like when she was in the supermarket, taking selfies of her with her cat, asking questions like if I had tattoo's etc etc. So I answered etc.
I think this might have been your moment to ask her out. If she was blowing you up at this moment then kinda went cold it means you didn't act fast enough and, perhaps, she went on to some other guy the next day. That could explain why she went light with the texts yesterday and today. There are windows of opportunity, and these days you really have to spring when she's showing you interest, because she's likely got a lot of guys gunning for her attention.
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So today I figure OK i'll ask her what her plans are for the weekend then offer to do something. She says she doesn't have much to do, so I say OK i'm pretty busy but on Friday night I'm free so we can hang out.
Here's a pro tip: Don't ask her what her plans are. Just say that you're going to do (something fun) on Friday and she should come. I'm not sure if it would have made a difference in this scenario but it always comes across as you being independent and doing cool shit whether she is around or not.
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Her "Oh but I have dinner with friends that night".
aka "I have a date with another guy or I'm going out with my girlfriends to flirt with guys." My guess is a date with another guy because of this line:
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Her "It would be a pleasure but as you know my position I would like to keep it that way and I'm not sure your looking for the same things as I am".
This is a bad text to get. Not only does she shoot down the date without counter offering but she also reaffirms she doesn't want a long term thing and correctly anticipates that you do. All bad. She shouldn't have a whiff of you wanting to long-term her, and she should counter-offer.
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Me "My position is the same from when we met, not looking for something serious because I'm leaving in a couple of months and pretty busy at the moment."
It's a good response in that you maintain your frame, but it's too serious in tone. Are you flirting with her at all in these texts? I would have taken her serious text and said something sexual and overboard, just fucked around with her.
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Me "Yeah as I told you I like hanging out with you and keeping it light because we have fun together and I know you have fun too. If ever I get bored of you then we won't see each other again. And vis-versa. My position hasn't changed"
Wayyyy too cold bro. Never go into "explain mode" with a chick early on. If she says she wants to keep her position you flirt with her and imply you're just out to fuck her nothing more, but never be cold or explanatory, be flirtatious and fun at all times. But directly saying if you get bored of her then she's gone is a threat and that very well may have killed your chances with this girl. They've been slipping away this entire conversation.

Again, you have to be aloof. She shouldn't be able to get any info or read like that from you. Somehow you've managed to communicate that you want a relationship with her.

I'll be surprised if she texts you again before Saturday. But if she texts you bullshit friendly stuff do not respond. At this point you're gonna have to make her invite you out to do something because she's shot you down twice with no counteroffers. I'd seriously start thinking of other girls at this point. If a girl really likes you she makes it so easy for you to hang out with her. But you're gonna risk getting friendzoned or killing all attraction if you continue to text lightly back and forth with her. If she gets upset and asks why you aren't responding (which would be a really good sign) just say something like "Hey babe I'm not trying to be your bestie ; )" You want to come off as a cocky guy who doesn't have time for bullshit cat photos. But don't be serious and don't be an actual asshole. Just be flirty and cocky. It will drive her fucking crazy.

My gut feeling is that she's dating multiple dudes. It's the only thing that can explain her texting you nonstop one day then not being able to hang out on Friday and not counteroffering. Makes no sense unless she's playing the field.

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I think that you need to treat her as a FB that you don't care about losing.
Next time she calls to hook up don't get too flirty or friendly. As soon as she gets through your door have sex with her and as soon as you finish leave and don't tell her where you go and what your plans are.
i honestly don't think he's gonna get that shot again, do you? but yeah the rest of your advice is spot on. if she hits you up for sex you give her sex and kick her tf out immediately. literally do everything maria says to do here, it's perfect.

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I think that you need to treat her as a FB that you don't care about losing.
Next time she calls to hook up don't get too flirty or friendly. As soon as she gets through your door have sex with her and as soon as you finish leave and don't tell her where you go and what your plans are.
i honestly don't think he's gonna get that shot again, do you? but yeah the rest of your advice is spot on. if she hits you up for sex you give her sex and kick her tf out immediately. literally do everything maria says to do here, it's perfect.
He will get a shot again.. especially if she is dating multiple guys. The reason why a woman would sleep with lots of guys is that she wants attention and she wants to split her attention and attachment between men so she doesn't develop feelings about any of them. So she will call to keep her rotation of men and her feeling of importance. How many men can she sleep with in a week? I don't think that she could handle more than three stable ones and maybe couple of one night stands...
So she will call.
If she doesn't date other men then she must have considered him of lower value in comparison with her or she doesn't feel that much attraction about him so she will call when she feels horny..
Bottom line she will call if she doesn't feel threatened about getting trapped in a relationship.


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Now with all this flirting she feels important and in her mind she perceives you as the one that chase after her and herself as a higher value person.
imo this is right.

As in this exchange
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Her as you know my position, blah blah blah
He then re-explains his position to her.
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Her "Didn't remember haha well ok happy to know we are on the same page"
She is making the assumption that he remembers every last word she has ever told him.

Yet in the next breath she is saying how she completely forgot an important thing he had told her.

In this relationship, this woman is holding the frame control.

I also agree that she is probably playing the field based on getting mixed up on which guy said what and not seeming to remember who she is even talking to.

Do everything that Maria is telling you to do if you want to flip things back in your favor, boost her attraction towards you through the fucking roof and possibly get her pushing for exclusivity.


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Huh? You're leaving in a couple of months? Forget this chick and find another or wait till you leave. You're seriously trying to tie a girl down for a ldr?


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