Don't take me as being a "white knight" character. I have no interest in "fixing" or "saving" broken women as you put it, I saw past that shit a long time ago. In fact I had an amusing thought waking up this morning. I remembering hearing someone describe a certain politician as "having a face that you forget even as you're looking at it". And I think that's the level of emotional investment you need to have in women. If you really want to drive them crazy, you've got to be someone who can spend the whole day with them and suddenly be like "I'm sorry, who are you?"

I understand that women respond to being treated like shit by everyday standards. I'm just not comfortable with deception and with telling them things that can't be true like "I love you baby, you're the only one" or whatever. That shit must corrode your soul, not to mention being unconscionable. At the same time I can't argue that there's no standard of SPAM so poor that it won't draw a woman closer rather than pushing her away.

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Can i just say coming from a family that was broken because of cheating. I think its wrong. Yes having multiple woman on the go is ok if your not deceiving them by saying they are the only one or telling them you love them.

As for your claim to lions and gorillas - yes they fuck all the females in the pack because of reproduction and the strongest gene lives on. But fortunately thats what makes human beings stronger than any other animal the fact we know what is morally correct. Animals have sex to reproduce humans have sex for pleasure and reproduction.

If you honestly think cheating is morally correct then thats your choice.

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Before the bandwagon gets bigger in bashing Hunter_Foxe, let's put this in the proper perspective.

1. Morality changes. During the Inquisition, the moral thing to do against bible readers is to burn them at the stake, hang them or crucify them. Now that we have the internet, you can read the bible any time without fear of getting killed.

2. Homo sapiens is 96% to 98% chimpanzee and/or bonobo ape and only 2% human. Our instinct to reproduce, fight for resources and/or have sex for pleasure remains the same for thousands of years before the concept of morality was ever invented.

3. Hunter_Foxe isn't the PUA community. He is just a part of it. I, for one, advocate honesty in managing expectations. I've lost so many lays by refusing to say 'I love you back' or letting girls on that I intend to be their boyfriend. When I joined the PUA community, I no longer cheat. I tell girls beforehand or let them know before I fuck them that I am fucking other girls.

We are all intelligent here and most of us can discern good advice from bad. Let the readers decide what's good or bad for them. The thing is, we get to see many angles and perspectives on how to handle Pebble's happy problem.

4. One of the best ways to keep a girl is to always remain a challenge and not getting tied down. When a girl knows that she has competition, she feels hornier for you and does everything to make you happy. This way, the girl becomes happier because she has to win and compete at something. It makes her life worthwhile and exciting.

As Jesus Christ said, "Let the one without sin cast the first stone." Most of us want to be happy and make girls happy. Let's not forget what we are here for. Men and women are team for the human race. It just so happens that we as humans are basically still 96% to 98% ape.

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To HF, and Pebble....how do you feel like MEN? Serious question....I mean cleaning up and lying feels unmanly to me. Morality aside, being that dishonest must be a wound to your manhood. I remember once I was talking to my friend's dad who was an old player. He asked how many gf's I had. I said 3. He asked do they know about each other, I said no, I clean alot lol. He laughed. He said "Back in my day, the term player had meaning...it meant you were dating multiple women and they knew....Nowadays player means you're hiding girls from each other, locking your cell phone and remembering lies. Having more than 1 gf doesn't make you a player, it just makes you a guy who is too afraid all the time and managing multiple girls at your own expense." I just don't know how we can say a man acts through his intentions and takes what he wants in life, but having to lie and stress over a hair in the bathroom goes against this.

I only hide shit from my 2 girlfriends, who come over once a month (I go to their places alternately). So cleaning up once every 2 weeks when I'm cleaning my whole flat anyway is not as much work as you make it out to be. My fuck buddies have boyfriends, so they expect condoms in the bin, they just want to get fucked.

Judge me all you want for cheating. I never say "I love you" to either of them. Both of them (rightly) suspect i fuck other girls and tolerate it, they are just unaware of each other. Hardly the crime of the century. You guys make me sound as bad as a wife-beater.
Quote of the thread!!

My girl had told me " okay, do your thing, just don't get caught"

When she texts me "what are you up to?" and I'm with a different girl, I will not reply with the truth "oh, I'm just fucking a different girl, what are you up to?"

I will reply "I'm just hanging out with the guys tonight" - why would I go against her own instructions by telling her the cold truth that will just make her feel bad and end up forgiving me anyway?

Would you tell your pregnant wife who is insecure about her new weight and tell she is fat? Of course you wouldn't , despite being an alpha 'player'.

I can sleep happily at night, sometimes with a different mouth on the end of my willy.

Your post is passive aggressive. My situation is slightly different to Hunter_foxe's blunt post.

To answer your question, YES. I do feel like a man.

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Glad to have opened up a debate.
I agree with this. A lot. It's the dishonesty that feels emasculating as well as morally wrong.

Although Pebble's right to say his situation is different and I never suggested (or thought) that he was doing anything wrong.
Jesus also said "now go and sin no more"

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I don't see it as lying. It really is a case of "Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies". If they straight up asked me "Do you have another girlfriend? " I would tell them the truth. I'm not afraid of losing them.

I am what I am. Knowing me I would probably do it again with 3 girls next time.

As for feeling like a MAN and being demasculated, there is nothing more demasculating than worrying about who your girl might be partying with while you sit at home, masturbating to porn to calm your worries. Maybe that's why I have more than one. If I had just one girlfriend and no fuck buddies, I would get really possessive of her and drive her away with needy behaviour. Having other girls keeps me busy and stops me from getting jealous.

Well yeah, frying pan/fire.

We seem to be hitting diminishing returns here anyway. For what it's worth your situation doesn't sound quite as bad the more you describe it. I have a certain mental image of what a relationship looks like (not had one myself), the kind of commitment and professions of love that would go with it, and maybe that's my ideal. But if the expectations you have with your girls aren't the same as mine, it might not be quite as repugnant as it first sounded. You do get confusing though when you go from "despite their minor suspicions, believe I am faithful and monogamous." to "Both of them (rightly) suspect i fuck other girls and tolerate it". Two rather different scenarios. But none of my business really. Obviously you know more about relationships than I do. Most people here do. That's why I'm here. The only reason I called you on this is cos it sounded genuinely really bad the way you portrayed it, and if hardly anyone in the real world even knows about it, it was unlikely you'd get a frank talking to anywhere else.

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To Hunter and Pebble.. Chill. No where did I write anything to diss you guys. No need to get defensive about being a man, when I asked how do you feel like one when you're hiding stuff. It was a simple question hence I asked it disclaiming that it was a question. No need to come back with defensive when I'm just asking how. I never said hiding didn't make you 2 men, I asked does it make you feel less manly by doing so. I said I won't feel manly walking down back alleys to avoid someone. Thats me.
Hunter kind of answered my question but it sounds more like the cheating is coming from a place of insecurity and fear of getting needy. Nothing wrong with that as long as you recognize where its coming from. Gotta run

My reply wasn't defensive bro, maybe i should use a smilie face.

But be fair, cutting through back streets - i felt so beta lol

It's just that she is in fact letting me have my cake and eat it, but I just feel so guilty

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bah, sorry for the image, i can't even edit it , it is that big

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Re: the movie clip of the guy regretting getting with multiple women, the regret often goes the other way:

Jesus saves and forgives.

Pontius Pilate washed his cock after finalizing the decision to crucify Jesus and Jesus forgave him. To have a clean conscience, have your soul saved, and your sins forgiven, always wash your cock after banging girls.

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Yes well done

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