See, here's the problem with evolutionary psychology. It seems to view pre-history events through the lens of our current capitalist society.

If you look at anthropology, one of the things you'll note is that most tribes are set up like this:
All the men go hunting as a team, and come back with whatever they caught.
All the women forage for food and take care of the kids together

It's not capitalist, it's basically communist as is pretty much necessary for subsistence level survival.

As an example, at Native Americans would herd bison off a cliff to break their legs, rendering them immobile for easy killing by other tribe members. A complete group effort, resulting in tons of food and pretty much negating any need to have "a good provider."

Maybe that's why women marry good providers then cheat on them. Capitalism dictates they need the provider, but it's not what really attracts them.

You kind of blew my mind here... And you have a point. A strong one.

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Keep in mind that humanity has not reached a level of hive mentally yet and the social era that we are currently living now is focus on capitalism. (Maybe after a technological singularly we will reach hive mentally)

Yes she can cheat after you provide for her but she needs to be confidant enough to choose you in the first place to assure her survival and the survival of her offspring.

Excellent point. With team effort, there really was an over abundance of food even during the Hunting and Gathering Age in certain locations of course; I'm guessing in most parts of the world, except in deserts or tundras.

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I think you may have focused on the wrong point there. I don't think that there was always (or even often) an over abundance of food... it's more that it was all shared, so it would be hard to identify the "good provider" when all the men went out, and brought back their shared kills.

Likely this left attraction to physical preferences and pheremones, possibly with charisma being an increasingly large factor once language was developed.

That said, I also think it's a mistake to think humans paired off permanently. It seems far more likely that relationships were fluid.

The point of the thread was baiting women with food. With the ongoing discussion, food (dinner dates) appears to be not that important at all in seduction even during caveman, nomadic, teepee, or modern times; except maybe if you're in a country like Somalia where food can be scarce.

Basically, that good provider concept has no bearing at all in effectively seducing women looking at it from the lens of an evolutionary psychology perspective.

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Ahh... fair enough.

With your uncanny insight on hunting being a team effort, we can fairly say that the good provider concept came in around the Industrial Age when machinery and the mechanization of agriculture came into being. This was the start when male wage earners became dominant as a segment of the population in cities and brought home the bacon, so to speak, purchased from their daily or weekly wages individually.

We can at least postulate that the "good provider" idea was really just a recent invention and cannot be attributed to any evolutionary psychology perspective.

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I'd say that started way earlier than the industrial age.

I would expect it to start right around the same time we invented trade and specialization of labor.

Once we had that, people would trade resources and some would have more than others... which would lead to women wanting to marry the guy who'd provide the most comfortable life.

Ah, yes. Like the Medicis. The rise of the cities and trade guilds and along with it, banking and finance way past the Feudal Age.

You're very brilliant Onoma!

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