I am in a bit of a dilemma, I have been seeing this Chinese girl for a while now (which most of you have met) , we are really close and have said that we love each other. When we 1st met it always going to be a part time thing since she was going to move back to China mid November. So it was pretty framed as an open relationship. I would kinda chill out on game recently since there was 1/2 month left of her visa.

When I 1st met her, I was seeing other girls and I would go to their place instead which I really enjoyed the whole sex only stuff so no holding hands in public etc. (Sorry to sound braggy, just saying) There has been several incidents where she would rumble me:

- She saw me hangout in the street with a girl I was seeing (holding hands)
- She found a condom wrapper under my bed after a ONS the previous night,
- She saw me walking a couch surfer to Tesco (In my defence, I just met her so I was innocent, lets forget that part where I got a BJ from later on though lol)
- She also found a blonde hair in my bed from another ONS


Each time I explained that I am not in a relationship. Today she was about 10 seconds away from seeing me do a day game approach, like, if she was to give me her number, my Chinese girl would for sure of caught me. Despite all these incidents I always manage to persuade her to keep seeing me by pleading that I am single. She would tell me that she feels sick to the stomach when she would witness anything like that and i guess I couldn’t relate because logically I think i’m single. (I told her she can have her cake and eat it too) - She would forgive me and just tell me “its fine, just don’t get caught” - she is also cool with me chasing girls when I go to Poland next weekend. She doesn’t mind this because she doesn’t need to know what happens over there.

Last week, she told me that she has great news and she can stay in Manchester for another 5 months, it is great news and all but now that’s now 5 months of having this ‘open relationship’ that I am petrified of ‘getting caught’ clash.

Last night I was out with the lads and I saw my ex (i was with her for 3 years) holding hands with another guy. It REALLY fucked my head up to witness that. I felt the same sickness to my stomach that Chinese girl described so I know the horrible feeling and do not want anybody to feel like that. now i realise, that If I saw Chinese girl holding hands with a dude it would be so shit to be honest.

My day game session today, I was with the ‘green horn’ Nighthawk and I met a gorgeous irish girl from day game today, she texting very healthy and seems solid also another number from the previous night. So have this dilemma of worrying about dating these girls and getting ‘caught’

I am not delusional at my situation, I am in a black hole and somehow I feel I am in a relationship whilst also being single. I would be gutted if I lost Chinese girl because we are addicted to each other, but at the same time, I want my freedom to boink. It seems that couch surfing is my default choice since I can hide in my apartment and they are only here for 1/2 days so I can’t really get caught off Chinese girl unless I am stupid again with a condom wrapper or something.

But what if this Irish girl turns out to be good? What if she is a keeper? What happens if I was to see her just like how I am seeing Chinese girl? - for the 1st time in my life, I am secretly encouraging girls to flake.

It sucks that I am missing out on new ventures at an expense of risking another amazing girl. I could just have one night stands with these new girls or try to go to their place each time instead and keep it casual. The perfect thing for me right now would b…. if say…. when I meet new girls, they would somehow come straight to my house and skip the dating in public thing. But we all know that this is difficult in the early stages of courting. Like, when I go out, I enjoy my time with the boys, making out with chicks like crazy, but it seems like I am afraid to have sex with new girls, I have been flaking a lot of girls on tinder because they all want to date and meet in public. My game seems to be in reverse. Open relationships are not as logical as everybody makes it out to be.

Not sure if I am asking for advice, but just need to get it off my chest. I am a little emotional and I will be going out again in a few hours lol.

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It's a cycle. I went through the same phase thrice. Either you ride it out or retain the status quo. Either way, you'll probably lose the Irish girl if you ride on your emotions for the Chinese girl or lose the Chinese girl if you maintained what you're doing right now.

The thing is, I think the Chinese girl is very attracted to you because she can't tie you down. If she succeeded in tying you down, she might eventually lose that strong attraction. You can condition her though that it's okay for you to hold hands with and bang other girls but it's not okay for her to hold hands with or bang other guys.

You can train her. Just be sure that the pleasure she gets from you is so much more than the emotional pain she suffers when she knows you're banging other girls. One good line that I use often goes something like this, "I have a very high sex drive. I just want all the other girls for sex. But you, I want to keep you in my heart; not just for sex. You're special."

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I've been in this situation once before with a Canadian girl. We were addicted to one another but she was only here temporarily. She'd be upset when she heard about me with another girl, but she would always say that she realizes that she was no real future with the two of us. Truth of the matter was if she was able to have a permanent status, I would have likely dropped all other women. I even made that statement to her, which I believe kind of drawn her to me more.

I believe you are doing the right thing by not giving up other women. Since it is temporary, you should have the mindset that if you lose her it would be inevitable anyways whether it's tomorrow or six months from now. Since history says that she will stay and you aren't blatantly throwing women in her face, try not to worry too much about what she does see.

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You need to broaden your choice of venues and stay on top of your shit if you don't want to get caught. I currently have 2 girlfriends who, despite their minor suspicions, believe I am faithful and monogamous. They are relatively easy to manage because they live in different cities, so I can time my availability to coincide with their visits. I also have the days of their periods noted in the calendar on my phone so I can maximise the amount of sex i'm getting and also avoid seeing them when they are irritable and argumentative. Both girls are from completely different scenes; one is a blonde rock chick who is much older than me and the other is a trendy nightclub chick who is Chinese and much younger than me. The chances of them finding out about each other is practically zero.

If you want to fuck more than one woman you need to be sharper and stay on top of your shit. Get into the habit of cleaning your place meticulously after a girl has left. Treat it like a fucking crime scene. Pull the bed out, Dyson vacuum everywhere, look for any jewellery she has left lying around (I almost got caught out by the BACK of an earring; the tiniest piece of metal you've ever seen), check for hair in the plughole of your bath / shower, check for FUCKING HAIR-CLIPS, condom wrappers in your bin (Yes, girls do go through your trash when you're in the shower), bedside drawers on her side of the bed, makeup wipes or fake lashes in your bin, change your bedsheets regularly (especially if they are cum-stained or womb blood-stained), makeup stains on pillows,... you get the idea!!!

Don't make the mistake of being completely unavailable when you are with one of your girls. You will always have the chance to text your other girl while you're in the toilet or while she's in the shower. Just make sure you have a wide diverse selection of believable realistic excuses for why you can't meet up with her. Train your girls so that they know it is not acceptable to call you or show up on your doorstep unannounced. It's better to pre-empt plans so that your girls know when you're available and "book" them in advance so that they're not worrying about the next time you're gonna see them. As risky as it sounds, I've even had a phone conversation with the blonde girl while the Chinese girl was sitting next to me. I knew the conversation was technical advice she needed about a problem with her laptop, so it didn't sound like I was on the phone to a lover. If you are regularly completely unavailable and ignore your phone completely, she will start getting suspicious. You just need to make sure you don't get into a long text chat, or the girl you are with will also get suspicious about you texting so much.

And one last thing, never EVER brag to other guys about having "2 girls on the go", however tempting this may be. Only your most trusted oldest friends should know about your situation and even they should be carefully selected. Gossip travels fast and whilst this may boost your value with fuck-buddies and ONS girls, you need to be very careful who you are talking to. Travel outside Manchester for nights out (or at least completely different nightclubs in Manx) to lower the risk of being caught and avoid having a "favourite" nightclub or café you always go to.

Follow your boner. It always leads to more boners.

Good luck bruv.

Thanks for the posts guys, I really appreciate it and agree with everyone. I got a story for you:

I had a date last night, on the way to and from my apartment i was cutting through back alley’s and unpopular streets like SPAM (To avoid bumping into her!) , the date went well and I sealed a deal with a new girl. A few hours later, I had Chinese over to sleep over, so before hand, I had to do the quick check list and look for hairs, condom wrappers, hair clips, hid my back scratches, febreezed bed sheets, showered etc

Today, Chinese girl posted something negative and vague on her Facebook so I pinged her on the text to gauge her response, she doesn’t seem her usual chirpy self, now I have this dread gut feeling that she has some rumbled me again. I don’t like feeling like this!, I am constantly nervous. It is annoying. Maybe I’m just being paranoid and she isn’t even annoyed…

I need to accept to not feel bothered about it already but maybe with time I need to accept that I ain’t doing wrong. She is just so sweet and I don’t want to hurt her.

GRRRRR

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No girl over the age of 18 who has had sex is sweet and innocent. Next time you catch yourself thinking that, remember how much she loved it last time you were slamming your cock in her minge. Remember, if your girl is "in a mood" for no valid reason, it is HER problem, not yours. Don't be the knight in shining armour. Trying to "fix" a girl's mood never works. If anything you should punish her for being grouchy.

Cheers bro, turns out it was a false alarm and her phone signal was low due to being the gym. But agree, I need to find my big balls again

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Haha. This is one of the things that I like about HFoxe. It keeps everyone of us who wants to listen to good advice grounded.

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Honestly bro, sounds like you just need to keep doing what you're doing. I'd say just keep riding it out as long as you can. She probably already "knows" its just easier to think "he would never cheat on me."

And if she ever does catch you... C'mon man. You know you can talk your way out of it.

Laugh at the fact that you've got pimp problems instead of bitch boy problems.

Somehow that seems infinitely more black-hearted even than cheating. At least with cheating the girl can salvage the fact that she had something with you that no other girl did. But to replicate the entire relationship with another girl another town over, you could knee the girl in the ribcage and send her flying across the room and it would probably hurt less.

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What they don't know can't hurt them. They are both happier than they were before they met me. I will leave them better than I found them. This is the core foundation of all pickup.

There is no monopoly on my love. I love them both and there is more than enough to go around. Who are you to say it's not genuine?

See the link below. Not all the points are relevant to my situation, but most of them are.

Top 10 reasons not to tell her you've cheated
http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top- ... eated.html

Yep, I wish I had these problems...

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Hilarious ! hahah Noobies who are looking on at this thread will be like god damn i cant even talk to a girl and these guys are juggling them like fucking chainsaws and one might just chop there arm off.

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It's self-evidently not genuine from the fact that you're systematically deceiving them both. Plus you talk about love and yet specifically avoid them when they're going through the difficult times and there's nothing in it for you. The behaviour you describe is utterly self-centred and yet you're trying to describe yourself like you were a philanthropist. Yeah I'm sure you can make women happy. But offering someone happiness that's based on a lie is ultimately cruel.

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You are making the mistake of treating women in the same way you want to be treated by women. Female brains don't work like ours. If they did, then a faithful guy would never get cheated on. Do you think it would stop a girl from cheating if her guy had made a vow to never cheat on her? Fuck no! How many guys on this forum have been cheated on? How many wives cheat on their husbands? Look at the divorce rate.

What qualities do men look for in a girlfriend? We could say things like trust, loyalty, fidelity, sexuality and kindness etc.
But what do women look for in men? Confidence, high value, power, influence, security, humour, leadership etc. Somewhere much further down their list is fidelity. The truth is, women care much less about your fidelity than you realise. eg. Why do women lust after the guy who has fucked every single girl in the club? And why do men avoid the slut who has fucked every guy in the club?

Feel free to be the knight in shining armour and "save" these girls from horrible guys like me. Try and "fix" the broken women who come into your life by all means. But the key to a woman's heart is her clitoris, not her mind. I am unpredictable. I am dominant. I am challenging. This is what women want. They don't want a boring predictable guy who professes their undying love and will be there for them 24/7. Women settle for these boring types later in life because they failed to tame a high value guy like me. But even when they fuck their boring boyfriends they fantasise about Christian Grey, a sadistic dominant billionaire with a perverted obsession with BDSM.

Call it deception. But their concerns about my fidelity keep them worrying, instead of getting bored and swiping guys on Tinder.