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I don't know if anyone has experienced this weird situation before, but this chick I have known her for pretty long time. You could say a good friend, but I decided that I wanted to have sex with her, but the thing is she allows me to touchy touchy her, which means hold her hands, her hips, hugging her everything, kissing her cheek a bit, but at the same time she says she doesn't like people to touch her, but in reality she allows me. Also, she said that she that she feels like I am her "brother", and I asked her what "brother" means to her. From her answer... she doesn't know, because she never had a really brother in blood before.So as you see, the escalation everything went well, but she doesn't want to take next step.

How the heck am I going to advance further? This girl is seriously complicated, since she is confused about her self so much, which means she doesn't know what kinda guy she wants in her values. She said "if the chemistry is there, then it's a click!". I have been kinda cooky by saying funny things, and showed my attitude that I am not afraid of her rejecting me which is something I don't take seriously, but light fun.This is something I never expected how this should show up.Any guys seduce such girl in this situation?

PS. she said that next time, if I meet her again, and I am being touchy touchy, she won't see me again. I honetly, take it as a challenge, which means I have to escelate much much more discreet from now on.

She's not into it. She sees you as a friend and doesn't want to lose the friendship. It's always nearly impossible to escape the friendzone. Keep her as a friend and meet more girls. Who knows, when she senses and finds out you're getting pussy elsewhere she MAY chase you. But this is the ONLY way she will be into it. So what are you waiting for; hit the streets and meet some girls.

You sure about this? This "friend zone" is bullshit in my opinion. She lets me kiss her cheeck, lay my head on her legs, holding around her, in other word a comfort provider.

If all of these elements are stepping up, there must seriously be something else that I am missing here. I have been thinking maybe NLP or deep connetion or something is to fix here.

I could sarge all day long, but this girl here gives me challenge man. I am not giving it up! She doesn't have "feelings" for me, then it's my responsibility to fix this.

If you show up in a position of strength with a calm demeanor and confidence from the girls you've been seeing she will wonder what's up and may chase. Or push it from a position of weakness when she is clearly not down at the moment and risk losing her as a friend.

When I was 17 years old I had a friend like that. She was like a sister to me. But since I was very young and had raging hormones I would always grope her ass and tits, press up against her ass, touch her pussy, pull my dick out, you name it. And she will always get a little upset but anyways allow that behavior from me.

That was until one day we got drunk together while she was sleeping over my house. I was so horny I just couldn't take it and went total caveman on her, I just ravaged her pussy. We must have fucked like 4 times that night.


Anyways after that night things got different and like a month later we never spoke to each other again. Her name was Paola til this day I never heard from her again.

If you fuck her sooner or later she will stop being your friend.

I am showing up my position of strength with calm demanor and confidence. Even whatever she is trying to break things up like "I know this feeling... is very tough, and I know it's not mutual feelings we have..." I just joke around, and say "no problem! I am not loosing anything anyway! The most important that is you and I have fun! "

The whole situation is really tricky! Like seriously! I am not even sure which strategy to go from there! The only moment I can think of is just maybe be more ultra discreet, and by escalating slowly but surely, also making sure to make her jealous, or being mystery or whatever.... not sure which way to go honestly.

I am open for ideas! You are hilorious brother!

Well, I undertand your take message! The Consequences of action. I don't know how connection happened to you guys, but at this moment, I have open relationship with a girl, and first it was hell, because feelings of her was involved emotional feelings, but now she accept hos we are. Maybe something went wrong with you guys by not communicating each other?

She's "friend-zoned" you rationally, but not emotionally.

She feels attraction for you, thats for sure. Touching her, holding her and kissing her on her cheek. That sure isn't a normal friendship. But, if you use that attraction, at some point bypass her "rational" side and become romantic, she will rationalise later and will probably either not see you again, or warn you sternly.

If you really like her, you need to do what every guy has to do if he wants to start something longer-term. That is, you have to maintain that attraction she has for you, but you also have to bond. You have to connect with her.

The confusing part, is that you are already friends, so you have probably already connected. That is why these situations are always a bit more complicated.

What you're going to have to do, is to re-connect, under a different frame. You have to connect and bond with her, but in a romantic way. That means, you're going to have to ask her deep questions, let her be vulnerable, and you have to do the same.

What I would not advise you to do, is to continue down the same path you have been taking. If its not working, you need to stop.

2 Important Points that are Key
1) You need to lay off hitting on her, because otherwise it becomes this annoying game that she will get sick of playing. Humans tend to continue down the same path that they are already on, its like human behavioural inertia. Stop hitting on her. Start afresh.

2) The story always matters]. It especially matters, in the long-run. And this is one of those long-run situations. Unless your goal is to get with her once and never see her again, you need to take particular note on this point.

Make sure you lay off hitting on her, keep being attractive, and let her attraction for you build up. But this time, instead of letting her know you like her like is the usual route to take, you need to go straight into building a bond.

Forget about mutual attraction. If she knows you like her, her brain will stop anything from escalating. You need to tell a different story this time. You only clue her in to the fact that you like her, after you have bonded. She was attracted to you, you connected and bonded, and then you fell for her. That is the only story that will make this work.

And I suggest you let the relationship go somewhere. If you just want to get her in bed and go back to being friends after, you can forget it. Its not happening except on the rare occasion. So I suggest you think through it carefully. Do you want a good friend, a one night-stand, or a proper relationship (at least for a while).

Good-luck,
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Really appreciate your straight direct answer! You already gave me an idea in the proper long term strategy.

When you are saying me to lay off finger on her, but instead of going directly showing that I am interested, it means I am trying to create a bond with her in a deeper emotional connection right? When you are talking about her being vurnerable, do you have any example in what and how scenario vurnerable means? My strategy so far has been breaking rapport, and yes it has worked in a degree, but like you said. She "zoned" me through rationally, but not emotionally, and that makes me know that I still have chance to fix this.

When you are taking about going straight into building bond. Do you have any specific example what you mean by that? I have already "bonded" her with many histories we have known together, but the impression I get what you mean is to turn the table around and bond in a different way which I have no idea what you mean.

"She was attracted to you, you connected and bonded, and then you fell for her. That is the only story that will make this work" I don't really understand this statement. This statements does contradict in my situation, so how will this story of she was attracted to me, I connected and bonded?

I honestly just want to have sex with her, and she is not into open relationship. I could fake that I want a real solid relationship which is obvisouly not true. It's not my game to lie to ladies for my selfish beneficial. I want and try at least somehow restructure her head and imagine that open relationship could go for both of us. I heard NLP, or Speed Seduction technique or something could go. What do you think?

EDIT: I am used to call her for sweetie, love, baby, you know such cliche nickname I tagged on her. Since you suggest me to rewind the bond and stories between us, how should I put her in our stand position now?