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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:04 am 
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To start let me tell you a bit about myself. I'm 24 years old. I live in the town I grew up in. And I share an apartment with a high school classmate. I'm pursuing a degree in accounting, but am currently not enrolled in classes.

I have this friend that I've known since the 8th grade. She dated a buddy of mind and after they broke up we continued to hang out and be friends. We enjoy each other's company, have similar interests, and share a similar sense of humor as well.

For about a year now, maybe two, I've been on the fence over the idea of 'pushing things to the next level' with her. I do value her friendship and her presence in my life, and it's made making a move on her a lot harder than it would be with some random girl that I wanted something out of.

Well, tonight I took a real stand on getting my point across to my female friend that I was into her and I wanted not only to be her friend, but be her boyfriend and lover. This is how the situation unfolded:

I invited her over for dinner, much like many other times she has been over to my apartment. Over a couple hours we talked, ate, and watched TV in my living room. I was sitting on my larger couch, and she was on the love seat perpendicular to me. I wanted her to sit next to me and be closer to her, so I told her to come join me. She seemed a little surprised by this request but, regardless, got up and sat down next to me. She kicked her feet up on the coffee table and I slid my left knee under her legs to have some physical contact. I was slightly leaned into her and we continued our conversation.

Eventually I slid away from her, down the couch for a little bit before electing to stand up and try to get her into my bedroom. I reached for her hand and pulled her to her feet and told her she needed to see my freshly cleaned room. She followed me into the room and started playing with one of my kendamas (a Japanese skill toy similar to ball and cup). I recently acquired a free computer chair from my job and told her to sit down in it and test how comfortable it was. As she sat down I took a seat on the edge of my bed a few feet away. She sunk into the chair and commented saying it was quite nice.

At this point I made my first move by reaching down, grabbing both of her ankles, and pulling her and the chair to me, closing our gap. As soon as the chair hit the bed I continued to pull her out of the chair and into my lap. So now she's on my lap with her legs around me and her face close to mine. She's smiling and asked me what I was doing. I replied with a smile and told her I didn't know. I then rolled her off of me and into the center of my bed. I laid down next to her and reached my right hand down between her thighs and grabbed onto one of them, holding onto it and squeezing it. We continued talking about whatever as I ran my hand over her stomach and back to her leg. She made what seemed to be a self conscious comment about her stomach feeling large from the food we just ate. I continued to touch her stomach, while joking around saying "now that you mention it, your stomach is quite large" and smiled at her. As we laid there I started to look at her deeply and said, "I like you." She replied back by saying, "I like you too." I continued to push away from the friends category by saying, "I've been a lot more attracted to you lately." She asked why? I replied by saying, "You're sexy, and cute, and I'm really comfortable around you."

At this point it was starting to get a bit past the time she usually stayed since she works early in the morning. Before she had a chance to move I went on to say, "You know, I'm not trying to seduce you, but since you seem to be letting me do whatever I want, maybe I should be." She laughed and then started to stand up. I followed her out of my room and into the living room. As we chatted on about whatever I stepped up to her and said, "I know I just kind of dumped a lot of info on you, what do you think?" We embraced in a tight hug and she said, "I just don't want to jeopardize our friendship like I have with another friend." I replied while squeezing her a little tighter, saying, "I knooow. I've been worried about the same thing, but I was afraid if I didn't do something soon, I'd lose my chance at being with you."

This girl is quite driven and I know she's looking for a man with a career and a decent income. This thought was in my head as to one of the reasons she would be hesitant to be with me, so I said, "I know I don't have a ton going for me at the moment, but that's going to change soon. Sometimes it's hard for me to do things for myself, but you're definitely worth getting things going for."

We broke apart and then I smiled and joked around, while stroking a new beard that I've been growing, saying, "it's the beard isn't it :wink: ." She reassured me saying it wasn't the beard and that it fit me nicely. We walked to the door and I stepped in front of her because I didn't want her to leave without getting a chance at kissing her. I placed my hands on her hips and said, "Would it be too much to kiss you?" She looked up at me with a slight smile on her face and with slightly red cheeks and said, "maybe." I went on to say it's something I'd wanted to do many times in the past when she was leaving, and then found myself regretting not going for it. I then wanted to kiss her at this moment but found myself in another hug with her. This felt like an over the top hug, so I pulled back a bit and kissed her on the cheek. As we faced each other I told her that I didn't want her to force any feelings and that if she didn't feel the same way that I would be OK. She replied by saying that she wasn't forcing any feelings. She then said that she better get going as her phone started to ring. Her mom was making her usual nightly call, and she laughed and said, "perfect timing." She stepped out my door and into the hallway when I said, "yeah, you've been hanging around here far too long, get out of here." And with a smile to each other I closed the door and locked it.

I apologize if this is a lengthy field report. I'm new to the site and haven't yet read too many of these. I was hoping for some feedback on what I said and how I could have handed things differently. I felt like one of my big mistakes was asking if kissing her would be too much. I feel like I should have just looked strongly into her eyes and just went for it.

Thank you in advanced for any analysis and advice.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:24 pm 
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How long have you been in the friendzone for ?

You did almost everything right but instead of declaring your feelings etc and acting average you should have pulled her on the chair to you and just kissed her then flipped her on her back and been the man she wants.

Every woman wants fun and excitement you offer her comfort/friendship which yes every woman wants (as a friend but if you truely want get out the friendzone you have to be dynamic outgoing and show her this.)

She has all the attention a girlfriend would get but not the ties she has it perfect... put her off her pedestal get out get other girls numbers/show her if she doesnt want you someone else will.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:45 pm 
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How long have you been in the friendzone for ?

You did almost everything right but instead of declaring your feelings etc and acting average you should have pulled her on the chair to you and just kissed her then flipped her on her back and been the man she wants.

Every woman wants fun and excitement you offer her comfort/friendship which yes every woman wants (as a friend but if you truely want get out the friendzone you have to be dynamic outgoing and show her this.)

She has all the attention a girlfriend would get but not the ties she has it perfect... put her off her pedestal get out get other girls numbers/show her if she doesnt want you someone else will.
Well, I guess since we became friends over... 10 years ago.

Yeah, I think you're right, I should have just shown her through dominant actions rather than talking about it like a pussy. You're right, I'm going to pursue other women and make it known that if she wants a chance with me she'll have to take her opportunity before it's too late.

Thanks for the input man.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:03 pm 
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Here's a little update on the situation:

The following night after all this happened (Friday), I stopped at her place for a short period before going into work. She had forgot some leftovers I was sending with her, so it was a nice excuse to drop by and see her. She was sitting on the couch when I walked into her house, so I just plopped down next to her.

We were talking about our days and what we had been up to, and I noticed how it was the same old situation, and she was sitting two feet away from me without any kino going on between us. I was finding it a bit of a challenge to reach over and even put my arm around her because of everything that happened the night before. I was kind of in the mind set that maybe she really just doesn't want anything more from me then friendship. But then I thought I was going to be fucking annoyed with myself all night if I didn't try something, so I stretched out a bit and put my arm around her. I started touching the back of her neck with my fingers while we talked, and she seemed ok with it, but also didn't seem to acknowledge my touch at all. I repositioned after a few minutes and reached over and rested my hand on her inner thigh, giving it some light squeezes. She didn't seem disturbed by my touch, but she didn't give any positive reactions, like leaning into me, smiling at me, or touching my hand.

I only had a little bit of time to hang out before work, and before I knew it it was time to leave. I announced that I better get going to work and stood up. I walked around the ottoman and reached my hand out to her. She grabbed it and I pulled her onto her feet. She then embraced me in a warm, long hug. She buried her head into my chest and held on tight. I then grabbed my wallet and keys and pocketed them, but I wasn't ready to leave just yet. After the previous nights experience and the response to my first post, I wasn't going to ask, but I was just going to try and kiss her. I looked at her and I was pretty sure she knew what was going through my head. So I stepped up to her and tried to lean my face into hers, she started wrapping her arms around me and turning her head to lay it against my chest again, so I reached up and put my hands on both of her cheeks, to properly position her head for a kiss. ...well, I felt a slight resistance from her in her neck so I let my hands leave her cheeks and wrapped them around her in a somewhat defeated hug. I turned around to leave and kind of chuckled have a good night and I was gone.

Any advice on what I could have done differently? Should I have been more aggressive? I don't want to force anything on her, but at the same time, maybe if I give her a taste she'll want more.

She did stop by my work last night as well (Saturday) to say hi to me and her mom (I work at the same place as her mom, lol). When she saw me she came up to me and gave me one of her nice warm hugs, but nothing seemed any different than it has been the last couple years. We just all talked for a while and then her mom walked her out to her car, without really saying much of a good bye to me.

Again, any advice is appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read my report.


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It's difficult to do with girls that you know but be more confident with the kino and just go for the kiss. Don't be an AFC. Just go for it. Once she's kissing you it's easy to escalate from there.

Don't hesitate, that's what makes it akward.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:55 am 
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It's difficult to do with girls that you know but be more confident with the kino and just go for the kiss. Don't be an AFC. Just go for it. Once she's kissing you it's easy to escalate from there.

Don't hesitate, that's what makes it akward.
Thanks Brad. I full heartedly agree. Next time the moments right she's getting a surprise.


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It's difficult to do with girls that you know but be more confident with the kino and just go for the kiss. Don't be an AFC. Just go for it. Once she's kissing you it's easy to escalate from there.

Don't hesitate, that's what makes it akward.
Thanks Brad. I full heartedly agree. Next time the moments right she's getting a surprise.
To be honest i would push her away and not give her the attention shes craving. She see's you as a best friend but is happy to cuddle and embrace you like a boyfriend. Push her away wait until she tries to arrange something with you... just say sorry i cant i have plans then. give it a few days then arrange something. Deprive her of your affection. All woman want something they cant have.

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It's difficult to do with girls that you know but be more confident with the kino and just go for the kiss. Don't be an AFC. Just go for it. Once she's kissing you it's easy to escalate from there.

Don't hesitate, that's what makes it akward.
Thanks Brad. I full heartedly agree. Next time the moments right she's getting a surprise.
To be honest i would push her away and not give her the attention shes craving. She see's you as a best friend but is happy to cuddle and embrace you like a boyfriend. Push her away wait until she tries to arrange something with you... just say sorry i cant i have plans then. give it a few days then arrange something. Deprive her of your affection. All woman want something they cant have.
I'm definitely giving her some space at the moment. We've been wanting to go to Minneapolis together for a while now, and I think I'm going to go this weekend without her; not to be an ass (she works), but to show her I have other friends and other potential. When we don't see each other for a week or two sometimes, she always really looks forward to seeing me and tries to figure out a time when we can see each other soon. I think I'll definitely do the Minneapolis trip this weekend if it works out, and then not hit her up for a little while. What do you think?


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Definitely do it. Just show her shes not getting anymore attention unless she makes up her mind you dont want to be her best friend anymore she knows you've put that out there and shes not wanting to act on it but shes happy to cuddle in and be nice that way. Its unfair on you that she knows how you feel but hasnt either got the gutts to tell you she doesnt like you that way or to put herself out there so you can act on it.

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Definitely do it. Just show her shes not getting anymore attention unless she makes up her mind you dont want to be her best friend anymore she knows you've put that out there and shes not wanting to act on it but shes happy to cuddle in and be nice that way. Its unfair on you that she knows how you feel but hasnt either got the gutts to tell you she doesnt like you that way or to put herself out there so you can act on it.
Wow, thanks man. That helps out a lot. I really appreciate that.


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Definitely do it. Just show her shes not getting anymore attention unless she makes up her mind you dont want to be her best friend anymore she knows you've put that out there and shes not wanting to act on it but shes happy to cuddle in and be nice that way. Its unfair on you that she knows how you feel but hasnt either got the gutts to tell you she doesnt like you that way or to put herself out there so you can act on it.
Wow, thanks man. That helps out a lot. I really appreciate that.
No problem dude. Happy to help. Just take her off the pedestal she thinks shes on. Let me know how you go dude.

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Well, I haven't talked to her since Monday over text. I told her about a band we both like playing in Minneapolis this weekend. She responded enthusiastically but then said she had to work. I responded by saying, "yeaaah, I'm think I'll head up there on Friday. I've got a four day weekend." She then responded back saying, "That sounds like fun!" I didn't reply and that was the end of the conversation.

Before this week we have been talking and hanging out quite regularly. I haven't contacted her for a few days, but she hasn't contacted me either. I've had a small desire to hit her up just to see how she's doing, but I've held back. I'm leaving for Minneapolis tomorrow after noon and plan on having a great weekend with my buddy, his new gf, and his circle of friend in the cities. I plan on playing some serious game and hope all the information I've learned over the last few weeks in the community will help.

(I've already put some of it to use on Tinder, and I've had two girls respond quite positively. One of them started sending me topless photos on Snapchat without me even requesting it! Haha. I actually didn't respond strongly to it, and she just kept sending me topless photos. I think if I would have started complimenting her nice tits, she would have got what she was looking for and stopped.)

Anyways, back on topic, I think I should continue not contacting my friend that I'm interested in. I'm almost certain she'll contact me after the weekend and ask for Minneapolis details. In the back of my mind I'm worried that she's talking to other guys and I'm going to lose my chance with her, but I think that's just fear trying to beat me.


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Well, I haven't talked to her since Monday over text. I told her about a band we both like playing in Minneapolis this weekend. She responded enthusiastically but then said she had to work. I responded by saying, "yeaaah, I'm think I'll head up there on Friday. I've got a four day weekend." She then responded back saying, "That sounds like fun!" I didn't reply and that was the end of the conversation.

Before this week we have been talking and hanging out quite regularly. I haven't contacted her for a few days, but she hasn't contacted me either. I've had a small desire to hit her up just to see how she's doing, but I've held back. I'm leaving for Minneapolis tomorrow after noon and plan on having a great weekend with my buddy, his new gf, and his circle of friend in the cities. I plan on playing some serious game and hope all the information I've learned over the last few weeks in the community will help.

(I've already put some of it to use on Tinder, and I've had two girls respond quite positively. One of them started sending me topless photos on Snapchat without me even requesting it! Haha. I actually didn't respond strongly to it, and she just kept sending me topless photos. I think if I would have started complimenting her nice tits, she would have got what she was looking for and stopped.)

Anyways, back on topic, I think I should continue not contacting my friend that I'm interested in. I'm almost certain she'll contact me after the weekend and ask for Minneapolis details. In the back of my mind I'm worried that she's talking to other guys and I'm going to lose my chance with her, but I think that's just fear trying to beat me.
Well dude at the end of the day you put yourself out there for her to react to so the balls in her court - if she is talking to other guys would you not rather someone who was going to appreciate the time you invest in them ? If she moves on to someone else it just shows you were just filling the emotional hole in her life of needing male contact with no serious relationship. Rock it in minni one thing ive learned over the past 4 years every now and then you find a special one and you might not get her and you might be cut up but when you least expect it someone else comes along better !

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