You need to stand on your own two feet and use your own initiative rather than using a script! Every single conversation is going to be slightly different so use your conversational brain and take it from there!

In relation to your opener, if they say past/present... ask why? - disagree with them (no matter what your opinion) and have a little playful neg and argument... and then say something cocky/funny like if we had a proper argument/fight i'd so win!

Basically... use your initiative! Listen to what she says, and respond to that in the appropraite way (DHV story, Neg, Kino escalation, Routine, Cocky/Funny)

Don't rely on scripts!

Well first, you need to understand the 90/10 rule. You are responsible for 90% of the conversation for the first 5 minutes at least.

After that, you need to learn how to interact with people instead of just using a script, because people aren't going to follow your script. Maybe you've heard of Mystery's Kiss Close Routine, it goes like this:

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PUA: You wanna kiss me? (make sure it is asking she wants to kiss you, not if you can kiss her, or if she wants you to kiss her. This is about her, not you)

She will respond with 1 of 3 things according to Mystery:

1. HB: Yes (you pull her close and kiss her well and proper so that she enjoys it and wants more, never just a little peck)

2. HB: No
PUA: I didn't say you could

3. HB: Maybe
PUA: Lets find out (pull her close and make out as per above)

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Now, that is how Mystery describes it, but the thing is, life doesn't always work as we plan and sometimes girls say things like, "I usually don't kiss guys until the 3rd date." I had a girl say that exact thing to me and I wasn't prepared, cause of what I had been led to believe and so I said, "Am I gonna see you that many times?" and she said she would be sad if she never saw me again and stuff, but never called me when I gave her my number.

Instead, those 3 responses above should be what you end up saying at the conclusion of the routine, but if she throws you a curveball, just be prepared and steer it back on track by saying something like, "That's not what I asked," with a big knowing grin on your face. If I had said that to the girl I talked about, then she would have said either "yeah" or "maybe", but either way I would have had her, cause she wouldn't have said "no". If you follow the script, then there is no reply to what she said and then you have silence.

Learn how to converse, read some books on the subject and try not to focus on a script.

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~ Rye

I read The Mystery Method - How to put beautuful women under your spell.

I read The Mystery Method - How to put beautuful women under your spell.

It was very good I think Mysteries was better but both books give different methods or ways of going about picking up women.

so use the openers then try and use the horrible social skills i have after the opener? how do i demonstarte high value? is it doing a magic trick or something else, and i have dyd book from david d but i dont know how to use cocky funny.

I walked away because i didnt know what else to say i have no social skills. Im mainly good at just asking questions thats all and being a smart ass but that usually offends people and i make enemies that way.

Excuse me? A script? Do you want a script on how to climb up stairs and wipe your ass?

I apologize for being so blunt but you have to put some of your own game into this. There is no "script" that will work for everyone. You will end up sounding like a complete weirdo because that isn't you, just someone craving attention (aka DLV).

Get some books on conversation starters (ie: How to talk to anyone by Leil Lowndes) and learn how to keep a conversation going. Open-ended questions are a start (ie: Questions that deem more than a yes/no answer).

Good luck

If you have no social skills your just gonna have to work even harder get past that, no one ever said said things are gonna be easy.
I think carlos xuma sells a social skills programme, it might be worth checking that out. Just stick at it and read enough until you understand it and then you can plan the way you want the interaction to go, but life does'nt always go to plan, so if one topic/routine aint working just cut it and use something else you got canned or whatever pops into your head.

hey rye lee
You never said weather you are prepared for that 'i dont kiss guys on the first date' comment.
I presume you have after that.

Social skills are something you work on. Get Juggler's 'How to meet and connect with women', he has good pointers there.

Commit yourself to starting conversations with random strangers everywhere - on the train, on the street, in coffee shops. Talk to clerks in shops. Go to the mall and say 'hi' to every girl you make eye contact with. The outcomes of those situations don't matter, you are not working on the people but on the skill here.

If you make enemies by being a smartass - well, you already have your answer: stop being a smartass.

Cocky&funny: in my experience, whether it works or doesn't depends largely on the delivery. Honestly though, it took me lots of embarassing conversations and about 4 months to start grasping the concept. But you can't be cocky and funny all the time - apply it carefully and do not overdo it, because you'll come off as a jackass.

This may only be my perspective, but on the subject of asking questions: avoid them. Your interactions shouldn't resemble interrogations. Or if you do ask questions, make them more interesting - don't go with the same old 'where are you from, what do you do, where did you study, blah blah blah'. Read this thread:

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Keep working! Learning these skills will probably prove to be the most difficult thing you have ever done, but trust me, it is worth it. I don't claim to be any good and I'm already having the time of my life.

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On we plough.

Love,

Ace

[quote="ace_of_spades Thanks man. Heres something i did a couple wekks ago at a bar. tell me what you think.
me: hey be careful there was a dui bust outside/ or sometimes i said are these the nly 3 bars on this block open right now
her: yeah i think so
me: you have nice eyes by the way
her:thank you(smiling)
me: especially the left one
her: (laughs) why the left one
me: (i give her a sideways hug and playfully say "see we love eachother")
me:do you belive in esp
her:yes/no
make a long story short I did the esp thing where you guess 7 i was wrong then i said pick a number between 1 and 2 , one set laughed the other said ok and picked 1.5. i ended up leaving the set because i got stuck and ran out of things to say and or got nervous.
Anyways how do you guys think I did as a beginner. Should I use this same routine on day game in a shopping area?

If another girls says that to me, then I'll just say, "That's not what I asked." If necissary, you can say, "I asked you if you wanted to kiss me," for added effect.

I'm assuming that's what you meant?

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~ Rye

brand my friend,
This is going to be good advice for u.

Get a job in a CALL CENTER.
Part time if u have to.
You will talk to 100's of random people a day from men to women.
You will be forced to converse with them through dead air, when they are verbally abusing u, etc..

Now if you're can accomplish this,
Get a job at as a sales consultant at a cell phone provider.
You will meet tons of people everyday and you will be training yourself in everything from body language to verbal on how to effectively sell your product to them.
I personally believe sales reminsce The Game.
Everything from the approach, to comfort (deal making), to the close(where you are literally asking them for money).

Do read the material the other members have told you.

I would recommend first though picking up these books:

Dale Carnegie's How to win friends and influence people
Melvin Helitzer's Comedy Writing Secrets

After you read these books and get hired at your closest Convergys (call center), you will easily become a naturally chatty person that will be funny too. Being a pick-up artist is a small subset of social dynamics. You have to be social first and a player second.

Also bro, don't get discouraged from people getting mad at you that you want a script. I know what its like not knowing what to say to people, its not an easy thing. It feels awesome knowing what to say at the right time! Yet having a script wont help you out that much. As Rye Lee said, the field is dynamic and you have to be prepared for the curve-balls. A script never lets you wing it!

Yeah thats what i meant.

How about this one from a bristol lair newsletter.

'stop for a second'
hb: what?
'i want to kiss you right now'
hb: i cant. I dont do that on the first date
'i know you like me'
hb: yeah, i do
'thats makes no sense'
hb: yeah, i guess not. Maybe just alittle one.
'ok, just a little one'
'im going to steal another later'

I know its not perfect, but with a few alterations this could be the way to go.

I personally wouldn't use it, cause it sounds too needy to me. Trying to convince her that her logic is flawed to persuade her, typically doesn't work.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye