Boy I swear any of you guys gets one of these cuban balseras franduleras right off the boat to buy you even a water forget about drinks just water. I swear i will walk up to you and hand you a $100 bill.

Also about money. Last time I checked mystery's net worth is right up there in the 2 million. So yes I would say that being successful would be a very attractive trait for gold diggers and regular women alike.

Bro I can see that you are also in south Florida. On the real I just want to improve my game and find the right steps to do so. But have you ever dealt with the type of woman i am referring too? Cuban right off the boat less than 1 year in this country? Its like nothing else works with them.

You said you drop 2k a night at the table. Whether you pay $300 for that table or not is irrelevant. You are advocating buying a woman's affection with money and alcohol. It is implying that women are objects to be bought. It's bad advice. Besides, even if I pretend it wasn't bad advice, how often do you actually go out, how many nights a week? Also how much do you earn a year and can you prove it? I'm calling bullshit on your story. I don't believe you drop 2k a night, especially not on a regular basis.

Pussy is pussy. You ignored this vital point. VIP table girls are no hotter than ordinary girls on the street. You have no answer for this.

We are clearly into game for different reasons. I use game to push myself, challenge myself, put myself in difficult situations which will improve my confidence and make me a stronger person. You are the opposite. You want to put in as little effort as possible, you don't want to learn or improve and you are motivated by ego validation. You would rather pat yourself on the back and re-assure yourself that you're awesome than be humble and improve yourself.

What you call "roaming around the club" is where the party is at. Girls cannot feel your energy if you are static, sitting down.

I cannot keep up with the amount of pussy I'm getting. I have seriously considered getting viagra to keep up with the all night fucking sessions and the only thing stopping me is the health implications of viagra. I live alone but I have no time to myself. Yes I can afford to buy girls drinks every night, but i choose not to, because i dont want to fall into the frame of provider, like 90% of the douchebag guys in the clubs who get used for drinks and rarely get laid.
You misunderstood me. It's not the monetary value of the drink, it's the fact that you rely on your money and table to get girls. You form your whole identity around posturing and money. Without them, you are nothing.

Whatever man, you are clearly clueless when it comes to vip table game. You have no experience in it, you don't know anything about it, you simply cannot comprehend that women want a successful guy who has money not for his money, you simply can't comprehend that to some people spending 2k here or there on a table isn't a big deal, and you simply cannot comprehend the huge logistical benefits of having a table (especially at smaller NYC style clubs).

You can pretend you aren't jealous etc. blah blah blah but clearly money is a big issue in your life which is totally fine and understandable, but there's no need to get super defensive about the FACT that money helps you get laid and not just in the provider framework. (And btw, for people who have a lot of money, do you think they give a shit if they are providers?)

Btw, I am not one of these guys though I am financially successful and have had years where I've mad quite a lot of money. I do a lot of online game, a lot of regular bar/club game but I also do table game, and all being equal if you give me the choice of being part of a table at a club (especially NYC or smaller sobe venues) I will take the table EVERY TIME because it is simply better. I have ALL the options you have of not having a table (I can roam around the club etc.) but I ALSO have all the benefits of a table. I can isolate way more easily. I have more social proof. The list goes on. To say that a table hurts game is absolutely moronic for that mere fact alone: It is EVERYTHING not having a table is PLUS all the table benefits.

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Also HunterFoxe, what kind of trash do you hit on/go out with that you even have to worry about a girl using you for a drink? Frankly, a girl who needs a guy because she can't even afford a drink at the bar is a pathetic loser in the first place.

Oh, and btw, I actually agree with a lot of your tips and suggestions in general, same w/skills... I have just found that game which requires money is vastly misunderstood by the seduction community, and usually it stems from guys who have very little experience with it or guys how for financial or otherwise reasons cannot separate the financial cost of something from the results. And they also cannot comprehend that some people literally do not care AT ALL whether they spend 2k (or even 10k) on a night out. Some people are that wealthy, and in NYC, a lot of them are in the club circuit, and while some blatantly use their money to get women, others just do it because they don't want to wait 2 minutes in line, want a place to be able to sit at the club and more easily talk with their friends, want to go out with 4 of their guy friends and no girls in the group, want the convenience of bottle service, and want a place to easily isolate women to.

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OH, and as far as the original post... I personally do not like the tap from behind as it's kind of a weak play. I much prefer the ass to ass move if you are gonna approach from behind though a lot of guys have kind of killed this move. Personally, I like to approach from the front or if the girl is further from me using aggressive game like "The point" (point at a girl you are interested in and motion for her to come to you)

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You are still avoiding the question.

1) What makes the VIP table girls hotter than hot girls you see in the street?
2) How often do you go out?
3) Prove your salary. I called bullshit.

1) They aren't always hotter, but many times they are, and there is a way larger concentration of hot girls at a top club than randomly on the street.

2) I go out about 4-5x a week, probably 3x online dating and 1-2x regular

3) I sure as shit am not going to publicly post proof of my income on a pick up forum, are you out of your fucking mind? I've made a few million in my career pre-tax. I work in a lucrative industry and I'm 32 .. the amount I made is not even that much relative to many in my industry. I'm actually not super wealthy by any means when compared to wealthy in NYC, but I have enough that if I want to spend 5k on bottles in vegas on my birthday I can do it and it won't make much if any difference in my life financially. And I sure as shit could not care AT ALL about how much a drink cost at a bar or on a date or whatever.

4) My game is not just table game, but I do buy bottles every once in a while and I have a blast when I do it + I get more girls when I do (or when I am at a table) than when I don't.

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Ok, so 2 million over a 10 - 12 year career. Dont know the American tax system but i assume the IRS took about a third of that? You're right, it's not that much. 5k on your birthday is fair enough, but you don't earn enough to be dropping 2k, let alone 10k a night on a regular basis.

It makes sense that you do so much online dating.
You obviously hate cold approach.

hunter fox and fury, you are both my boys, but lets not go into personal attacks, lets discuss the subject, again i am gonna have to side here we hunter fox, I could be a multimillionaire i don't think i would do vip table flash game, it just bad early frame, and it just not feel right.

The only way i would do that type of game is if i am gonna go out with a huge Mix group of hot girls that i already know and dudes, for some type of get together or celebration.

This is not difference than flashing your rolex, or trying to impress.... Just no man!

fuck we derailed this post so much lololol.

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I agree with fury, their is an advantage to "table game" especially at a pack down town club. I've witnessed it lots and lots of times. It's not for everyone, but if you got the flow, it can definitely boost your odds.


Ofcourse you still have to have tight game, otherwise you are just SPAM free drinks, etc etc.

But truth be told, I;ve seen many of nerds buy a vip table and eventually have women around them, socializing directly to them. The women may not of been interested or attracted, but the isolation still gave them a shot, a better shot then what they may of had on the floor.

It may go against the pua code, but who gives a fuck. Whatever works, works. Just don't use it as a crutch.

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Ok this is totally irrelevant but i see that fury know his shit in online game so this question is for you. How come i get more reply's when i message to a HB something really fresh like " omg i love your ass, or tits, lips etc..." versus my something like "oh you look real interesting, lets chat," ???

I actually F-closed a chic i met on POF yesterday. I literally said in spanish slang "ok you look fine as fuck, works for me, Where do you meet??? " she gave me her number i texted and 7 hours later i was fucking the shit out of her.

Also this used to be an old acquaintance I used to know like 7 years ago. I don't know if it was because of that or because I messaged her something fresh slick vs being Mr niceguy.


And on table game from my experience it definitely works for me. Also one of the best moves you can do on table game is not to stand so close to the bottle on your table. Make it seem like it is not yours. When you see a HB and a good song comes on start dancing look at her and then casually grab the bottle off the table and pour yourself a drink. Do it as far away from the table as possible. Then put the bottle back on the table. If one of your friends is close to you offer him a drink but with you still holding the bottle in your hands. Then put it back and keep standing where you were in before you grabbed it.

Lol and why Is that a good move?

You didn't explain

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The reason i think its a good move at least for me is that target sees you standing alone dancing whatever they are probably thinking that either you are trying to get into the vip or that you are trying to freeload off someone in the vip then all of a sudden they see you grab the entire bottle take it away from the table and pour yourself a drink.

In VIP table ethics only the owner of the table "el mas pinguo" can do that without getting his face smashed by security or other people of the table. Who is going to dare say something to you if you are the one who payed for it. Also by putting the bottle back you are showing that you are so important that even if you are not there in the actual table no one is going to touch it without your permission.

Without saying a word you just showed the target your hierarchy in the table without flashing your cash in front of everyone.

Lol what a load of crap.

So let me get this straight, you can't pull with tables because a table raises your value to attract the gold digger type girls.

Then your next tactic is to pretend to not to be part of the VIP table that supposedly attracts them in the 1st place??

Are you just making the stuff up as you go along? Lol

Are girls REALLY watching every single move you're doing? If she sees you within 1 yard of the bottle she will instantly lose interest?

So basically, if you reach over the table, you will be beating off girls with a stick just because you leaned across the table? Hahaha

Mate. If your stories are true....the only think you do is get wasted and get lucky. That's the extent of your 'game'.

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