I don't get it how some of you guys have the patience to count lays after the first one hundred. By that time, it's routine. It's no big deal.

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Lol. No. Just No. Bottle Service per table at any place decent in Miami, Vegas, or NYC is $500 at the BARE minimum with tax and tip and much more likely 1.5-2k MINIMUM. If you want the shittiest table at the shittiest place then maybe you can get under $500 with all the extra $$. $200 bottle service in NYC? where the fuck is that, brother jimmys?

EDIT: With that said. Table game WORKS. IT works WELL. VERY WELL. The reason is simple: social proof.

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For once I actually agree with Hellhound about something

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Nope, it's far simpler than that... Money talks. Keep fucking gold diggers bro.

I'm surprised a veteran poster like you is advocating and encouraging such a rampant waste of money. I'm willing to bet that there are ZERO guys on this forum who can afford $2,000 a night tables. That is $200,000 a year even if you only go out 2 nights a week. Half a million if you go out 5 nights a week. If i had that kind of money, i guarantee i wouldnt be wasting it on overpriced champagne and gold-digging sluts.

Why even bother? You could regularly hire 5 different pornstars who, unlike table sluts, would be willing to fulfil every sexual fantasy no matter how filthy and perverse, film your orgy and still have enough money left over to buy a new house and a few sports cars.

Insanity.

The other week, my mate who knew the promoter got us a private table and a free bottle of alcohol. Personally didn't cost me a penny. Surely it is better dynamic than to just do cold approach moth game.

We were facing the dance floor so it was quite easy to open girls and be an IOI magnet.

I agree though, cold approach is the trenches and the skill should aways stay sharp. But I think social proof works from my experience...

It is stupid however that might be regarding a sticky table in a night club can increase ones value but, I guess that's the way it goes.

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No problem with that at all because you spent £0.00. I have a problem with people spreading this idea that emptying your bank account on bottles and tables is better than free dancefloor game. Not mentioning any names, Mr Fury $2k!
IOI game is weak. Stop waiting for IOIs. Motion creates emotion. If a girl hasn't noticed me yet, I walk up to her and open. Start dancing with her. Or put my arm round her. Or high five her and drag her towards me.

Women respond to the most charismatic sexual guy in the club. The guy who has energy she can feel. A guy who can dance. He doesnt even have to be the best dancer, just a lot of energy. She cant feel that energy from you if you're sitting down.

We've all heard the saying, you snooze, you lose. I'm saying "you sit, you won't get shit".
Strongly disagree. Cold approach is not the trenches, it's the pinnacle of pickup. The highest level pickup gurus who get the most pussy are the ones who cold approach every night. Cold approach is awesome. You need to work on your AA if you still hate it after all these years.

Ok for those of you who know Spanish this video is what banging reffed out cuban women off the boat is all about and why at least I wouldn't stand a chance if I didn't have table game. Dosnt have to be the best or most expensive table but at least have one.

Btw most of my friends and I were invited to be in that video but none of us is that stupid enough to be filmed and let our GF catch us.

When one of you understands what " formar puteria" or "Si tu me prestas la tuya la mia se déjà" means you will unserstand that you need a table to do so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuGz9O3rU70

Brian- It's like you're trying to justify your 'game' bro, give it a rest.

Enough with the limiting belief stuff.

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Lol. Here we go.

(1) Do not confuse the cost of a form of seduction with its effectiveness. Period. This is common from poor jealous newbs who can't grasp that having money is attractive not just because of the money but because it is a sign of success and social proof and it makes girls attracted to you. It's jealousy at its core, plain and simple. If you cannot afford a certain form of seduction or certain type of game, then don't do it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

(2) Pornstars and prostitutes? LOL. If you cannot see the difference between a girl who is actually turned on and attracted to you (even if its due to an image of being successful/your money) versus someone who does what you want without attraction or actual interest for money then you need to think about this a little bit harder. It's a totally different thing, and again, this comes down to jealousy end of the day. It's actually very disturbing that guys are so fucking insecure about money that they simply refuse to grasp the very simple concept that having money is attractive in the same way being good looking is or having good game is.

Most women who care about money, especially in big cities with lots of wealthy people are actually NOT golddiggers or prostitutes. I can go on about that for a while and I have in an article on my site (Search gold diggers), but the gist of it is that many women in these areas are successful in their own right and don't want to date some fucking loser who they can't even go out to a nice dinner or nice vacation with.

(3) Plenty of people can afford to party like ballers several times a week, especially in NYC. Plenty of people can wipe their ass with $2000. That's why these places are always packed.

(4) You don't have to spend a PENNY to have a table .. if you are a regular or know regulars or promoters you have a table for free, with the same or similar social proof.

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thanks for the tip man. How about trying to invade a group of girls and isolate one of them, are these types harder to open as she might not want to be seen as a slut in front of her friends?

In my experience, with groups, just be fucking awesome with the girl that you like and the girls will leave you both to it.

Be really polite "just gonna take her to the bar for a drink ok?"

(really easy to use hand signals to communicate this to them)

**point to girl>point to bar>mimic drinking>thumbs up?** (they usually nod)

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1) Ok, if you think Table game is a valid form of game, i've come up with a new gaming method called "Boy band game". Basically you pour all your time and money into dance choreographers, song writers and artist managers to try and become the next One Direction. Try it man! The social proof is insane!
If you honestly think dropping $2k a night is good pick-up advice then there's nothing more to add. If you're that rich and it's that effective, why the fuck do you post on this forum?

2) The only jealousy here is from you. You're jealous that you have to piss your money away, buying a girl's affection with dinner dates and champagne. It frustrates you that dancefloor divas like me can get your girl AND get her to pay for the drinks.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have that kind of money. But if I did, I wouldn't waste it on 5000% mark-up champagne, nor would I pay for the "privilege" to just sit at a table instead of actually having a good time dancing and approaching.

These exclusive VIP clubs are 20x times more expensive, but are they 20x times better? Are the women 20x times hotter?

I'm not saying I don't want to be wealthy, who doesn't? I am saying that you don't need it to get laid. And I'm also saying pussy is pussy. When I fuck my rich cougar girlfriend who lives in a penthouse in London, it's no better or worse than when i fuck my poor 20 year old student girlfriend. You make it sound like the girls in the VIP have gold-plated pussies, 20x times tighter than average. Are they 20x better at sucking cock too?

3) Yep and they're all mugs. The smart businessmen here are the club owners. They brainwash you into thinking their clubs are exclusive and worth the extra and worth paying for tables. Pussy is pussy. Just because a woman is a lawyer or a business owner, doesn't mean she is more fun to be with, doesn't mean her pussy is tighter and doesn't mean she is better at sucking cock. I don't judge women based on how much money they earn. Personality and sexual chemistry is all that matters. Keep saying i am jealous if it makes you feel better.

4) Tables give you no advantage, whether you have to pay for them or not. You still have to compete with other guys who have tables. You have the same problem as being cockblocked on the dancefloor by another dude.

You say that the emotional connection is all that matters, thats why you dont fuck pornstars. In that case, why cant you pull girls on the dancefloor?
Lets be real. You dont like walking into a club unless they give you the red carpet SPAM, validate your VIP ego and kiss your ass. You are motivated by ego validation, not sex. You want to look down on dirt poor guys like me because it makes you feel better about yourself. You would rather have a group of girls laugh at your jokes, compliment your Armani suit and Rolex watch. I would rather have them sucking my dick.

Having a table vs roaming around the club and you think having a table is no advantage? Have you ever even had a table? Clearly not because you think they cost $300 or something stupid. You are clearly just jealous that people can get girls with money or the appearance of money and pretty much no extra effort. Is it a rip off? No shit it's a rip off, but money doesn't change whether or not it WORKS. Can you not grasp that simple concept? Of course not, because you clearly take more pleasure in how little you spend out versus how much pussy you get.

And you think I am jealous of you? LOL. What planet do you live on? I have the option of using all the techniques you use plus way more. LOL. Jealous of a girl buying you a drink? Like I give a shit about the cost of a drink? HA HA HA. I could care less who buys the drink, it means literally NOTHING to me. That's freedom and options. Can I get her to buy my drink? Sure. But why the fuck would I even bother?

Look, obviously you don't need money to get laid. NO SHIT. But to suggest that money does not help getting laid is equally asinine. If you had any actual experience having money you would know that.

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is been already debunked why the vip table game is a bad idea, there is nothing much to be said about that, this is very very sad.

With that being said, it may work for certain demographic in miami which is poor women that came from other country aspiring for a better life, but is nothing different than a poor foreign golddigger.

It is just not ideal, with that demographic as well as russian women or women from former communist countries, will work, but may delay sex, is just not ideal way to learn fundamentals you are nothing but a trick if you do this form of beta game....

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it depends on many factors:

time of the night

type of group (mix group with guys or only women)

Approach invites/body language

Your energy level etc... etc... etc...

easiest is 3 set with 2 girls one with a dude, and the other one third wheel

second easy women alone(if she is hot unlikely) disclaimer. it may even be bad cause if she is hot, she is lost or likely with somebody that will cockblock

3 women set and more becomes harder

your energy equal or slightly higher, you got a look for a break in the group or distraction in the group, or you have to force an approach invite to the group and see who bites an open that girl.

There are open ended groups: where the good may entertain, a cool dude to open

close ended group: the women are attention whoring, don't want to be bother...

I can go on and on forever talking about this. I call it a circle castle, sometimes they do it on purpose to not let dudes in.

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