Mostly HB7 HB8

Also I didnt mention this but i purposely wait and precisely time for someone with high social value to say hi to me while talking with a girl or target. Example I stare like a creep at a HB7 she is wondering WTF is this guy looking at??? here comes the biggest promoter in the club and while never breaking eye contact guy physically hugs me or says hi whatever. Dramatically increasing my social status with her. 2 minutes later another big promoter comes and says hi. Then call her over.

It works for me. Also like someone mentioned the main floor is very hard to pull that shit off because is always packed and they cant see me otherwise.

Bro, this is weak. It means you rely on leeching value from the promoter. Because you think that you're not worthy or attractive enough on your own.

If you need "social proof" before you can approach, you have approach anxiety. You need to fix this if you want to improve your confidence.

To be clear, I was saying that having really solid dancefloor game is the best way to get ONS, not that that is all its good for. It also takes way more effort. I don't go out constantly and don't even care that much for clubs. I put in minimal effort when I do. Tables are very useful for that.

What I see here is a lot of "I do it this way, and it's not only the best way, but the only way and anything else is EVIL. BURN THE HERETIC!".
You have an issue getting into pissing matches with nearly everyone here. Why do you suppose that is?

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Bro If you read what I wrote you will see that I said I am new at this and have been doing things the wrong way my entire life when it comes to pick up.

That said, I just pointed out what gets me laid every time I go out to clubs here in Miami, What I have mentioned has never failed me. Also It only works on 1 specific type of women that most people here in the community will NEVER encounter because of the culture barrier. I am not talking about your typical Latina I am talking about off the boat CUBANAS think tony montana as an analogy.

They speak a dialect that can not even be considered spanish. "Oye asere que volada" estas de pinga. A Native born spanish speaking person would not be able to decipher that.

^^ Whats happening here is you believe it is the social proof which is getting you laid. It's not.

Can you remember the Disney movie called Dumbo? He was the flying elephant who believed that holding a black feather gave him the power to fly. Everything was cool until he dropped the feather while he was flying. He started falling because he felt unable to fly without the feather. Then he realised he didnt need it anymore and started flying again, higher and higher.

It's like when you take the stabiliser wheels off your first bike and your dad holds the seat behind you while you ride on 2 wheels for the first time, then he pretends he is still holding the seat, even though he has already let go.

Social proof is your black feather. You can fly without it. All you have to do is believe in yourself.

Social proof is a placebo which gives you confidence. Women are attracted to your confidence, not your social proof.

Interesting

Hunterfoxe- so are you saying the term 'social proof' is bullshit entirely? Like, there is no such thing?

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Go to a One Direction concert and the boys in the band are seen as extremely attractive. But this is pre-selection, not social proof. Thousands of girls screaming for their cocks. If i go to a club with a bunch of girls, other girls open me because i have been biologically pre selected.

But some promoter, a man, giving you a hug in a nightclub? Gimme a break. That shit is weak. Grow some balls and approach without getting drunk and without your hocus pocus social proof.

Social proof game is weak. Real men are strong enough to cold approach without social proof. I dont need to prove im awesome by having some promoter suck my dick in front of girls. If you need social proof before you feel confident enough to approach, it means you need ego validation, you feel like you're not enough for the girl and not worthy of her without the social proof. Girls can feel that i dont need social proof to approach. So i just go up super confident without hesitation, so they can feel i am more masculine and more powerful than any social proof, because i make shit happen all by myself. I dont need cunt promoters to suck my bellend in order to make shit happen. In my head, i am above the promoter. I dont give a shit if people think im weird. I dance like a retard when im bored. But i never fail to approach.

Guys, your debate is cool but pointless, from years of experience going out, I seen many, manyyyyy styles of game. You can get laid by doing almost anything.

The question here is what do you feel comfortable doing? What suites your lifestyle? If the answers are positive then by all means keep on. Each situation is diffrent. I think what we all aim for is consistant results or personal achievement, and overall self growth. If you enjoy your own process of getting laid then thats all that matters.

I think theres alot of helpful tips out there seeing as how the pick up community is growing, but what I realized is if you want to be a successful players you want to ultimately be yourself and develop your own style.

Be your best self

I think guys go through a process of "imitating" a guru /successful coach / mpuas
Then they eventually blossom like a butterfly and find their own style
I think is important to have mentors but own it, make the game work in your favor

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I went to a few nightclubs when I was in a relationship, my girlfriend brought a dozen of her hot friends/sisters with her and I was a magnet for IOI's

I also went to night club (without my girlfriend) whilst in a relationship not looking for pussy, I didn't receive the same attention. Any idea why?

I do agree Hunter though, that one shouldn't rely on crutches etc, but surely you don't want to cold approach girls for the rest of your life? (it's not all about being lazy though) I'd rather Dan Bilzerian that shit ha. But that's just me though so I can't speak for yourself. However, I do speak for a big chunk of people.

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Thats my point. A lot of guys feel "comfortable" not approaching until they have social proof. Girls identify these guys as shy and hesitant. And these guys are buying drinks for girls, because they think this makes the game work in their favour (it doesn't).

Dropping $200 - $300 a night is not positive. Unless you are earning a huge amount of money and that kind of money is like small coin change to you. Then even if you are rich, this strategy still wont work if your mindset is still "i need to buy this woman's approval with drinks. Then she will pay me back with sex". Its a weak, feminine, submissive mindset.

Guys who get laid with VIP table game are getting laid in spite of the table, not because of it. As Skills pointed out, its cheaper and quicker to get a hooker for $200.

Yes, this is pre-selection, not social proof.
This is a big problem in the pickup community. Young guys get into it thinking, "When i am advanced, i wont need to approach. Girls will just open me and jump on my cock". They wait patiently for that day to come. It never does. Women are naturally afraid of confrontation and the best women are submissive, so this means they wait for you to make the first move.

Any girl who makes the first move on you is either below you or crazy.

The way I have personally developed my game is 100% internal confidence, mindset.

Which means I can be below avarage in anything, financially, physically, anything you call it, and still produce results.

I like to call this the bill gate idea.

Take away all of billgates money and leave him on the street.

Will he succeed again?

Fuck yea

Why?

Mindset, confidence, reassurance, assertiveness , knowledge ect.

Change your mind, change your life fellas

No excuse

No clutches, no bullshit

Arnold schwarzenegger on terminator

Lightning strike, arrives but naked from another planet

Gets a gun, gets a jacket, gets sum cool shades

And kills everything !! Haha

Now do that with girls.

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^ you don't know what are you talking about, it annoys the fuck out of me...
Then you are a very negative dude, cause through out the whole post with people i don't even agree with have not seen that...
[ You have an issue, talking about topics were you have minimal experience according to YOU! here is by you


"I don't go out constantly and don't even care that much for clubs."

Shit like that pisses me off, is the definition of keyboard jockey, did i answer your question, let me know if you need farther clarification...

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It is call pre-selection in other words a guy with women, specially hot is high value, women are very catty and competitive and like a challenge...

second women are lazy a guy that is hot women in her mind is attractive, so they do not have to go throw the effort of having the guy "audition" since the hot women you are with already is assumed did the "audition".

it conveys Abundance, coolness etc... Here is a video were i touch on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVF0Rrh940w

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Guys, guys, if you don't go out to clubs often, just listen to the experts. Don't make posts and speak like an expert in this kind of game if you only go to the clubs once in a blue moon.

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