Neo, I think you and Pikeman are basically in agreement as to easiest way to handle this. Getting her alone and away from the sorority is certainly the best way to do it. And it sounds to me like Pike has already tried this. But it hasn't been possible.

Some sorority girls do like breaking away from their sisters and running off with some guy at certain times. But it's both girl based and timing based, more than it is the guy. Some girls never do it. Ever. Their entire social life revolves around the sorority and to be with her, you're going to have to deal with them - especially up front. Some girls will do it, but only at certain times.

If Pikeman were say, going to a sorority party and looking to hook up with A girl there, I would %100 agree with you. But he has a particular girl with a particular set of inclinations and she's resisting breaking away from her sisters. I believe he has been trying to do what you suggest all along. But she's not up for taking off just yet.

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Yes, more or less what Versalis said.

The girl has no car and is in the smaller town next to mine (about a 5-10 minute drive, so nbd for me to go over). Her social life -is- her sorority, and she lives at the house. Part of the interest in this case is that it -is- so difficult.

I already tried to get her to come over here this weekend. She mentioned wanting me to come over yesterday, but then "bids" (some sort of sorority thing she was in the middle of - I think it's the equivalent to pledges) took too long, so I told her I was ignoring her to punish her for her flake. She tested my resolve by sending a text fishing for a response after I told her I was done talking, so she's seeing how far she can go with me (not far), which is a good sign.

I'll post a selfie with me and the other girl I'm hanging out with today (who is cuter than her) on social media exploring abandoned buildings (masculine activity and hanging out with/flirting with another girl is girl crack, remember). If it's anything like the last time, she'll blow up my phone when she sees the picture.

Think extreme push-pull here - "if you like me and act like it, I'll reward you, if you don't give me the time of day you will be replaced immediately" - as far as I can tell, that's the only way to really keep her emotions spiked enough with this constant sorority drama.

I don't understand your end-game here and am genuinely confused.

You're playing on her terms, and she flaked. So you suggested her coming out, she refused, invited you over, flaked. Now you're gonna make her jealous...she'll blow up your phone...and will invite you over again. Even if she doesn't flake, you're back at her place with her sisters and stuff. So what's the point? Maybe you're using the jealousy to leverage her coming out, then fine. But if that's the case, you should have invited her out, and when she refused, been like ok, cool...and proceed to your freeze out and sunday date with other girl with pictures. More effective. See how agreeing to her rules has put you in a worse place? You're punishing her for flaking on YOU coming over, instead of for HER not coming out.

And V, I get what your saying about some sorority girls not coming out. But, if she lives at the sorority house and her sisters are there, is she going to take you and fuck you in her room? It's like a girl with overprotective parents. You don't fuck her in her bedroom with her parents home. You get her to meet up outside. It's unlikely she will fuck in her room, if she can't come up with a bs excuse to meet you to go to the mall or movie or something. If her sisters are overprotective, they'll be more protective about letting them be in a room alone, than going to say a movie. And if they are that protective where neither is an option, why bother.

That's why I'm confused. If she likes you so much, she'd find a way to get some privacy. I'm of the mind that IOI's, smiley faces, facebook likes, lines of messages, kisses, mean nothing if dick doesn't go into vag and things don't escalate. Tactics can get you ATTENTION, like her blowing up your phone, but that's just a ego boost if she's still not leaving the house or getting you alone time. You've played on her terms too much. You've gone out chaperoned.She's STILL not getting you alone time and she's flaking. Spark the jealousy, fine, but it means nothing if you don't use it for getting privacy.

She came to my apartment tonight, though she didn't fuck me (we screwed around, 2nd/light 3rd base - further than we've gone).

According to her, her sisters have more or less accepted my existence (somewhat begrudgingly), so technically the point of this thread is over (though no girl is ever won over forever).

The picture with the other girl didn't happen because the day didn't go nearly as planned.

A little annoyed that this was so anti-climactic.

Judging just from this (we obviously don't know the whole situation or context or your personality types etc) I think the sorority sisters are just messing with you both; they've found something to target (age difference) and are exploiting it because they think it's funny to make you both feel awkward. It's immature sure, but if it's not disrupting your relationship outside of the sorority house I would just play along with the joke and ignore it.

The sisters seem to have accepted it, I doubt there'll be as much effort going forward. Now I just need to seduce the girl, which shouldn't be that difficult, we've already fooled around.

She told me the best way to seduce her was to get her drunk (and encouraged me to do this), and I intend to do precisely that.

Didn't read the two page conversation but i'll give my two cents:

Don't focus on winning the girls over let your girl do that for you meanwhile all you have to do is act like a saint around them and her and only push for sex if it's obvious she wants to jump your dick. Invite the girl out for dinner, don't be overly sexual and don't push for anything too hardcore unless she prompts it. Just do normal shit you had planned to do with her anyway as a date. Even at that be a bit reluctant when it comes to sexual advances but don't turn off your sex drive or anything. Just pull her back if you're in a heavy make out session to hint that you're not just going to fuck and toss her away then let her lead you on.

Here's the golden ticket: Be the person who doesn't make her choose. Make a statement if it comes up in regards to this: "I'm not going to make you choose sides and I don't want to cause any drama for you and your sisters." Don't end it, just let her know you're basically cool with whatever and if her friends pressure her into ending it with you you're cool with it. What you're doing here is dispelling any shit her sisters are saying about you being bad or just wanting to fuck the girl. You come across as a saint and all the girls saying negative shit about you end up pushing her more and more towards you because she sees that the girls bitching are totally wrong. You're playing the white knight card, not pressuring her, not showing that you just want sex and not saying or doing dickish things. You're basically doing the opposite of what's being said about you(That's bad at least).

Yeah, she probably wants a dicking but she's going to need some winning over when half her house is against it. You need to convince her that those who are against it are totally wrong about you. When she sees this she'll just jump to you, fuck you and essentially disregard anything those who were saying shit about you said.

Yes, that's more or less what I've done as well - I've told her that if she wants to be done with this, that's perfectly cool. We established a safe word last night and I was rigorously following it (as is my habit), and she seemed to like that quite a bit as it "made her feel more confident about me"