One question.

How quickly can you become friend zoned?

I mean, is it possible if you kiss on the third date, and on the fourth, and on the fifth (dealing with a shy girl), but then on a 6th date she seems kinda cold and so you have no kissing and no sexual frame and no kino, could this destroy your progress, and how hard it is to recover?

You didn't fuck her = too slow for her = lost interest. It's not so much the "friend zone" as it is she just sees you as weak and afraid to step up to the plate and give her the dicking she's been craving.

It's the same with women as it is with men: We get bored easily and any decent guy or girl that has a bit of self belief and some self-esteem is going to know that they can have someone else instead of tossing around kissing someone that's on the whole just a normal person in a sea of other normal people.

You should fuck a girl before your sixth date... Come on, dude. Typically you'd go on a date once a week or maybe twice a week. That's a minimum of three weeks of just kissing. That's a lot of time.

I know it's a lot of time, but she is a girl with trust issues, when I first kissed her one evening on the street she first almost jumped in my mouth, but 3 seconds later was like: Oh, no, and backed off. Later via text she told me she was afraid it will lead to something. And so I was patient cause I have a fetish for 18-20 girls... btw she's not the only woman in my life.

Just wondering how hard is to recover from that weak frame. I could be on the edge of the friendzone also... Shouldn't be to hard, right?

I once had a crazy chick telling me she didn't want anything bad to happen when I invited her out to mine for dinner. Chick told me she told everyone about me, all my personal details and had the cops on speed dial if I tried anything. Said she didn't kiss guys so easily and I was the first guy she'd kissed in six months. When we first kissed she was exactly like you said the girl you kissed was like.

Now, what happened was she was in mine, we ate, we laughed, she was nervous. So nervous she wouldn't kiss me for a good ten minutes until I calmed her down and she insisted "nothing bad happen." Know what happened? Got the girl on my couch, made out with her and do you know what happened then? She jumped on top of me and started biting my neck, eating the face off me saying that she wanted to stay in mine instead of going out. Because she was nuts I insisted we go out and drink... on the way out she kept murmuring "sleep with me, sleep with me, sleep with me."

It really doesn't matter what a chick tells you unless she straight up stops you in your tracks and says "NO!" I'm not promoting rape or anything like it i'm just saying you really need to learn not to be so AFC and timid in these situations. That's not to say force yourself on a girl but it is to say you need to know when she really means "No, never." and when she means "Try harder stupid!" Her basically telling you to try harder is an excuse for her to go ahead and make out with you. It overcomes her nerves and she feels as if it's you who is in control over the situation. If you have comfort built up she's gonna trust you. If she gives token resistance you back off for a few minutes and move back to it. Only until she says "NO!" is when you completely back off. The harsh reality is it's way too easy to read this and say "That sounds awfully rapey." but it's essentially how women operate. They need a bit of caveman to be won over... Shit look at S&M, bondage... Best seller was 50 shades of grey which is all bondage and other rough housing shit that's crazy and basically where the guy takes charge and indulges them in all their sexual fantasies. Women reading this shit find it "romantic."

Don't listen to the shit feminists tell you. The chick I mentioned WAS a feminist and I still could have fucked her on my couch with the curtains open and the windows open for all to hear her moan. She told me she didn't want anything bad to happen but she clearly meant otherwise and let her body do all the talking... Pity she was a nutjob otherwise I would have fucked her.

If you want to test the waters go NC for about three days then send her a message asking if she wants to head out for a coffee or a pint or whatever you two would be into. If she says "Sure, what day/time" schedule it there and then and when you meet her act as if you don't have anything on your mind and not a bother in the world! Smile, greet her, give her a kiss on the cheek, have her take your arm and walk her to your venue. If she's giving you looks just kiss her at the table. If not go for a walk, stop her in the street or park and tell her to kiss you. "Hey, come here... Kiss me/Give me a kiss." Then just let things happen. If she wants to hang out and go back to yours just take it a step at a time. Take out the wine, pour her a glass, give yourself a bit of time and then kiss her after your first glass of wine. Have her sit beside you on the couch and just escalate. Don't miss a step and jump straight to boobtown. Kiss -> Touch her back -> Rub her back and her side with the other hand -> Caress the back of her head as you kiss her -> Draw her in closer and closer -> Get her on your lap either legs spread and facing you or sitting on your lap -> Caress her ass(If she's spread legged)/Rub her inner thighs(If she's sitting on your lap) -> Let it escalate and intensify the kissing and bite her neck -> Move to boobtown, whip out her tits and get both yourselves so horny you want to fuck on the couch. If there's LMR just use the same tried and tested tactics: Back off for a few minutes then work your way back to it.

Why is Digital_Spy still a member on this forum?

Can we just ban this obvious virgin troll / frustrated girl ? He brings nothing positive to the forum. If the forum is truly about seduction and sharing positive practical ideas, he/she has no place posting on here.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but Digital_Spy is like a meat-eater on a vegan forum.
"If yew don't like Amurrica, yew can git out!"

GamesSN nice job! But I just don't see a scenario like that happening with her. She even doesn't want to enter my car to drive her home, and she said that she doesn't know if she ever will. (like wtf?!) But, ok, nothing is impossible.

I just decided back than that we should take a break and hang out later when we are both more relaxed.

So after 6 months of no contact... How huge rejection is if you tell a girl you havent seen for 6 months to put her head onto your chest and she says that it feels weird or funny? Is that a friendzone or lack of comfort, maybe lack of sexual frame and tension? Tension was definitely missing...

Damn I'm reading to much into every detail, but she is such a mystery.