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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:35 am 
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How do I know for sure if what I wrote down was exciting enough for generally any girl?
Testing. I would recommend reading through the book. But until you test it in the field you will not know for 100% if it brings emotion. You can practice it on your friends. Just tell them the story and look for their reaction, do they want to hear more of it, do they react.
After you do 1 or 2 of them they will start coming naturally.
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I see. Well, many people throughout my life have been saying things to me such as "you are so good-looking and a likable person. You just got to have confidence in yourself and you"ll get a girl or girls." Or like "you are going to get all the ladies because you look like this model." However, I guess in accordance to what you are saying all that stuff they said to me were just a pack of clichés. Right?
I recently had a conversation with a girl. We met up and went on a date so touched up on many topics. One of the topics was a date she had the day before, she brought it up btw. She went out with a model from France to have a coffee date. What she said was "He had drop dead gorgeous looks, but... It seemed his head was completely empty. All he did was ask interview questions and talk about himself." I'm an average looking guy, maybe I have a good hairline, guess who she ended up going on a second date with?
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I mean, ultimately you're saying that when it comes to seducing women it doesn't matter how physically attractive you are
BINGO! Look at many top PUAs. They are not what you consider the best looking guys. Any of the cliche top names in the industry, Mystery, RSDTyler, even the previously mentioned Mehow.
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and/or how likable and/or how accomplished or successful you aren't your conversational skills are poor or even insipidly mediocre. Furthermore, are all of the successful PUAs on this website's forum insinuating that a guy will never get laid (without luck) if his conversational skills suck not above average?
You can get laid if she is drunk, or just wild, but that is complete reliance on luck, extremely inconsistent.
The thing with convo skills is showing that you are interested in who the girl is. Everyone approaches girls for their looks, they get a really good filter for those kind of guys. That is where the convo skills kick in.
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Oh, okay. Well, I see what you mean. Then, I guess that's a shame for me that I failed with her.
It may be a shame or it may not. It is a learning experience. We all go through the process of failed conversations tens of times a day. All you can do is learn from your experience and improve. The hardest part is to accept needing improvement.


EDIT. Have recently been going through the book "How To Be A 3% Man". If you have several hours a day I'd recommend reading it to understand what women expect from relationships. It does a good job at explaining the proper confidence, anticipation and mystery in regards to dealing with girls.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:20 pm 
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Testing. I would recommend reading through the book. But until you test it in the field you will not know for 100% if it brings emotion. You can practice it on your friends. Just tell them the story and look for their reaction, do they want to hear more of it, do they react.
After you do 1 or 2 of them they will start coming naturally.

I see. So, I just have to practice it with trial error out in the field until I get good results.

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I recently had a conversation with a girl. We met up and went on a date so touched up on many topics. One of the topics was a date she had the day before, she brought it up btw. She went out with a model from France to have a coffee date. What she said was "He had drop dead gorgeous looks, but... It seemed his head was completely empty. All he did was ask interview questions and talk about himself." I'm an average looking guy, maybe I have a good hairline, guess who she ended up going on a second date with?
I get what you're saying. Though, I'll say that in an instance like that the girl should of taken the opportunity to get laid with the model at least for the experience.
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BINGO! Look at many top PUAs. They are not what you consider the best looking guys. Any of the cliche top names in the industry, Mystery, RSDTyler, even the previously mentioned Mehow.
I guess that's true.
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You can get laid if she is drunk, or just wild, but that is complete reliance on luck, extremely inconsistent.
The thing with convo skills is showing that you are interested in who the girl is. Everyone approaches girls for their looks, they get a really good filter for those kind of guys. That is where the convo skills kick in.
Wait, but how do the guys in high school and college get who have gotten laid with the hot chicks do it? I mean, I can't believe that most of them have that great of conversational skills.
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It may be a shame or it may not. It is a learning experience. We all go through the process of failed conversations tens of times a day. All you can do is learn from your experience and improve. The hardest part is to accept needing improvement.
The hardest part I believe is knowing how to make improvements, even if you know that you need to improve.
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EDIT. Have recently been going through the book "How To Be A 3% Man". If you have several hours a day I'd recommend reading it to understand what women expect from relationships. It does a good job at explaining the proper confidence, anticipation and mystery in regards to dealing with girls.
Wait, you're talking about that book that was written by Corey Wayne? Yeah, I've read that book over several times, just as he suggests to do so that you don't make such "unnecessary mistakes." The book was a good start for me to learn about dating and relationships, but it still was not good enough for me. It doesn't really teach you how improve your ability in talking to new people or friends who you somewhat know. In fact, Corey says that if a girl whom you've just met or are on a date with is attracted you then she should end up doing most of the talking during the conversation, as oppose to the guy coming up with stories to tell like Mehow or other PUAs would. He even explains in both his book and youtube videos that confidence is the number 1 thing that women find to be most sexually appealling in a man. All of this info. on PUA, dating, relationships, etc. has become very confusing to me.


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LOL are you kidding me bro? Is this even a question? You should be asking, WHY would anyone want to carry on that type of awkward conversation that isn't going anywhere? She walked away because she knew you had nothing special to say but small talk and she left to avoid the inevitable outcome of either awkward silence or talking about the weather.

Try this next time: right after you open, immediately jump to a DHV story/routine that could actually get a real conversation started (do NOT do senseless polite small talk).
That sounds good, but I don't know how to tell a good story for one or come up with a good DHV routine.
Again, my understanding has been that having confidence and looking good are the only two main things that can significantly increase your sex appeal.

Then again, is it possible that she just wasn't naturally attracted to me, because they say that, at least to some degree, attraction is not a choice, meaning that men and women have no control over who they find sexually attractive anymore than they can control the weather? Right? Isn't it to some extent that a girl is either attracted to you from the first second she has ever seen me or she is not?
But how do you expect her to be attracted to you if you don't show her anything interesting about yourself? Surely there must be something interesting going on in your life. Make an excuse to talk about that, ask her opinion on something. Get the conversation going and convey your personality to her.

Only then can you expect attraction to grow.


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Hey man,

I wouldn't beat yourself up over this. It's not about failing or passing. A lot of the responses here sound like the thing to do is written in stone. That you need to do this or that and you're guaranteed a successful outcome straight away. But you're not.

Firstly, what you did do, was introduce yourself, which is cool. That's the tough part. The conversation didn't go on too long, which is cool, and she showed a bit of interest which is good.

I'd take these all as positives, and consider it a slow burner.

The only issue was that, like some other posters have said, as conversations go, it was pretty uneventful. Some might say 'fucking boring'. (Sorry - didn't mean to be blunt. But we've all been there!) Don't worry about it - it's not a deal breaker.

Chill out a bit, and next time you see her, give her a relaxed smile and a nonchalent, "how's it going?" Act like you're there to just go the gym (which you are!) and not pick her / anyone up. And see what she does. If she shows any interest ("good thanks - how are you?") - which basically means she isn't running away, then keep the conversation short, and interesting.

You won't have time to launch into a pre-prepared story. Fuck that, that's shit, and frankly, weird. Just be yourself. Ask stuff appropriate to the situation - what kind of workout does she do - has she ever tried anything else - yoga for example. How many reps? And see where the conversation goes. Try and get a giggle. "How are you still dry? Are you even doing any exercise?! I'm sweating all over the place!" (Yeah - that last sentence is a gamble... But aaah well - it's a good way of weeding out the princesses!) Remove all thoughts of banging. You're trying to build up rapport, and often that can just come over time.

I've found time has been a major contributor to these kind of introductions. Always keep busy. Don't get infatuated. Build up friendships / talk to other people in the gym too - and then it'll be a quick and painless, "Do you fancy a drink sometime?"

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:07 am 
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You had such a short conversation and three times in it, by your own account, you had awkward silences. A break in conversation to a girl a random guy is coming up to just to ask who she is, what she does and then stands there saying nothing is just bad game. Cut out the awkward silences and don't be afraid to jump in with basic info. It's expected! You don't need to be asked in these situations especially if a woman is receptive to you to begin with.

Next time a girl gives you her name just tell her yours "That's a pretty name. I'm X." Another problem i've noticed is that you really don't have a goal from your example here and that seems to be reflected in your pauses. At any point from when you did a cold approach you could have cut to the chase and said "Would you like to grab a coffee later on?" You've expressed your interest in her by saying "Hey, i've seen you in the gym a few times." You're basically saying "I've noticed you and i've noticed you because i'm interested." anything else is just sugar coating it. Don't get me wrong... sugar coating is good, really good but you have to do it right to maximise your success rate by building a connection of some sort so you both have a reason to meet up unless she finds you incredibly hot, so hot that her physical attraction to you overrides all necessity in building up rapport and comfort with you.

Know what your goal is, why you're talking to her and what you want the outcome to be. Do you just want to prove to yourself that you can say "Hello" to a hot girl? If that's the case then continue as you did in your original post. If you want to actually close this girl then you're going to have to be a bit more assertive and presume she really wants to know basic things about you such as your name and where you're from/what brings you to the gym. Keep the conversation going and then when you feel a connection and got her smiling and laughing you can ask if she wants to go for a coffee or a protein shake after(In fact throw that in there for the laugh. She'll chuckle over it if you're in the gym). Also, you should feel some sort of connection within the first few minutes.... i.e. how receptive she is. Don't draw it out any longer than it has to be.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:40 pm 
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You had such a short conversation and three times in it, by your own account, you had awkward silences. A break in conversation to a girl a random guy is coming up to just to ask who she is, what she does and then stands there saying nothing is just bad game. Cut out the awkward silences and don't be afraid to jump in with basic info. It's expected! You don't need to be asked in these situations especially if a woman is receptive to you to begin with.

Next time a girl gives you her name just tell her yours "That's a pretty name. I'm X." Another problem i've noticed is that you really don't have a goal from your example here and that seems to be reflected in your pauses. At any point from when you did a cold approach you could have cut to the chase and said "Would you like to grab a coffee later on?" You've expressed your interest in her by saying "Hey, i've seen you in the gym a few times." You're basically saying "I've noticed you and i've noticed you because i'm interested." anything else is just sugar coating it. Don't get me wrong... sugar coating is good, really good but you have to do it right to maximise your success rate by building a connection of some sort so you both have a reason to meet up unless she finds you incredibly hot, so hot that her physical attraction to you overrides all necessity in building up rapport and comfort with you.

Know what your goal is, why you're talking to her and what you want the outcome to be. Do you just want to prove to yourself that you can say "Hello" to a hot girl? If that's the case then continue as you did in your original post. If you want to actually close this girl then you're going to have to be a bit more assertive and presume she really wants to know basic things about you such as your name and where you're from/what brings you to the gym. Keep the conversation going and then when you feel a connection and got her smiling and laughing you can ask if she wants to go for a coffee or a protein shake after(In fact throw that in there for the laugh. She'll chuckle over it if you're in the gym). Also, you should feel some sort of connection within the first few minutes.... i.e. how receptive she is. Don't draw it out any longer than it has to be.
Oh, but I thought that awkward silences are okay so long as I seem comfortable with them. Some PUAs have mentioned the law of state transfer, whereby if you feel awkward with the silence then she will. If you're totally comfortable with a bit of silence then she will be too.


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Yeah but that's mostly for newbies so they don't feel nervous when they realise there's a gap in conversation between him and the girl. It is alright to have natural pauses but when you force them by not giving basic information and having awkward silences three times into a two minute(I'm guessing it lasted less than this) conversation... No matter how you look at it it's not great and just awkward.

Try be more fluid in your conversations with a girl especially if it's a cold approach. A lot depends on you carrying the conversation for the first few minutes when you cold approach. This is something you have to do to raise her comfort level. Consider the fact that you're forcibly invading her private space to say "You're hot." She's going to be uneasy regardless and require comfort no matter who it's from. You'll need the first few minutes to create a connection with the girl to level off her unease and make her more comfortable. After you build up comfort and move the conversation away from "Your name/You're from/Country/etc." you can have those natural silences and then switch topic or carry on. However, it's not advised that you deliberately force silences. It's just that it's okay if you run into a silence in your conversation -- it's not the end of the world! But you need to keep the conversation going enough to build up comfort before you hit the awkward silences.

The only way for silences to build up attraction is if the woman is already interested in you and doesn't want to give you an excuse to leave. If you've walked up to a girl, had a conversation for ten minutes, made her laugh, created a connection and she genuinely likes you being around her and THEN you hit an awkward silence that's where her interest starts to ramp up because she sees this as you losing interest in her or you feeling the need to move away at which point she will try to convince you to stay around with her.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:44 pm 
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Okay. I think I get what you're saying now. thnx.
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Yeah but that's mostly for newbies so they don't feel nervous when they realise there's a gap in conversation between him and the girl. It is alright to have natural pauses but when you force them by not giving basic information and having awkward silences three times into a two minute(I'm guessing it lasted less than this) conversation... No matter how you look at it it's not great and just awkward.

Try be more fluid in your conversations with a girl especially if it's a cold approach. A lot depends on you carrying the conversation for the first few minutes when you cold approach. This is something you have to do to raise her comfort level. Consider the fact that you're forcibly invading her private space to say "You're hot." She's going to be uneasy regardless and require comfort no matter who it's from. You'll need the first few minutes to create a connection with the girl to level off her unease and make her more comfortable. After you build up comfort and move the conversation away from "Your name/You're from/Country/etc." you can have those natural silences and then switch topic or carry on. However, it's not advised that you deliberately force silences. It's just that it's okay if you run into a silence in your conversation -- it's not the end of the world! But you need to keep the conversation going enough to build up comfort before you hit the awkward silences.

The only way for silences to build up attraction is if the woman is already interested in you and doesn't want to give you an excuse to leave. If you've walked up to a girl, had a conversation for ten minutes, made her laugh, created a connection and she genuinely likes you being around her and THEN you hit an awkward silence that's where her interest starts to ramp up because she sees this as you losing interest in her or you feeling the need to move away at which point she will try to convince you to stay around with her.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:46 pm 
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A few days ago I approached another a girl at my gym who was about a 6 or 7. She was working out near me and by herself. So, I decided to initiate a conversation with her by saying "how's it going'?" with energy. I did most of the talking throughout the conversation and she was smiling the whole time. I talked to her until she said "alright, so I'll see you around." I wasn't 100% sure, but I took it as a hint from her that she wanted to end the conversation. That's when I said "yeah, alright well it was nice to meet you!" and finally walked away. In total, I conversed with her for about a min. Also, this time I had no pauses in the conversation. So what do you guys think?


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Dude, no offense, but everything about that is wrong. That's an AFC conversation. That's what every ordinary guy who had enough courage to talk to a girl, but has no social skills or game, would say. I'm sorry, but he "So, you come here often?" line ain't gonna' cut it. She detects that you are boring and lost and spares you the pain of stumbling through what is obviously and awkward pick up attempt.

Break out of that lame stuff and take that convo in a specific direction. Ask her if she's ever done crossfit. She'll say no and ask if you have. Even if you say no too, have something else to say about it. Tell her about a friend of yours who does it or ask if her if she does any other sports. Then talk about those sports. Remember to show some excitement or humor while your talking as well.

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Dude, no offense, but everything about that is wrong. That's an AFC conversation. That's what every ordinary guy who had enough courage to talk to a girl, but has no social skills or game, would say. I'm sorry, but he "So, you come here often?" line ain't gonna' cut it. She detects that you are boring and lost and spares you the pain of stumbling through what is obviously and awkward pick up attempt.

Break out of that lame stuff and take that convo in a specific direction. Ask her if she's ever done crossfit. She'll say no and ask if you have. Even if you say no too, have something else to say about it. Tell her about a friend of yours who does it or ask if her if she does any other sports. Then talk about those sports. Remember to show some excitement or humor while your talking as well.
The problem is that I rarely can come up with something humorous or exciting to say within a conversation. How do guys like u do it?


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That is standard or normal conversation. It's the interview type.

If you want to keep a girl's interest level in you really high, you have to calibrate whether you'll do a standard or 'normal' conversation or go somewhat over-the-top and give her an emotional roller coaster ride. A few times 'normal conversation' gets you to kino. A few times a cocky funny emotional roller coaster ride gets you that kino, isolation bounce and pussy.

It appears that your non-verbals isn't enough to spike attraction. Maybe you'll need to fix your grooming or ratchet up your gym time and then try this 'normal' conversation again.

If that still doesn't work, you'll need some sort of emotional rollercoaster ride routine to ramp up her emotions and get her attracted. Don't be afraid to explore the fringes or go over-the-top. It's all part of the calibration process until you get it all just about right.
I agree with Hellhound.

Its just the standard interview type conversation, and its not good.

But more than that, whats with the "made eye contact and no nervous laughter" thing after every sentence. Ok i dont know exactly what that means, it could be some sexual cool thing that you're executing great, but sounds to me like its just super weird. Why are there so many forced silences. You want to avoid silences, in general, not force them to happen.

Correct that, and learn how to converse in a stimulating manner. And see how it goes.

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The whole premise of your set was built in with a lot of pauses which she possibly perceived as awkward. Got to be in a flow when you speak with a female you're attracted to. To get there, it can help to have a couple of warmup convos with other attractive women as "throwaway" sets.

If you do this and are just laid back about things you will probably very rarely have them eject from a convo. It has almost nothing to do with being clever or witty or whatever, and everything to do with having the vibe that you are a man whose attention is valuable.

The humor thing is just about being flirtatious. You don't want to mimic Chris Rock you just want to be a normal dude about his day, flirty/playful/fun/dominant. If it is APPROPRIATE to drop in something funny do it. The main point is, the girl should be giggling and cooing here & there because your whole persona is light and easy breezy. She feels very privileged to be a part of it all and will do anything to stay in the set.

You want to be in the body language demeanor that you are a man in demand.

I'll give an example: I did a warmup set to get the flow going. I said "hey i know you don't work here but have you seen where the plates are?" (I found out later she knew exactly where they were all along). She said "what kind of plates are u looking for?" I answered. Then she said, "are they for formal dining or everyday...?" Then she asked a couple more questions because she wanted the set to continue - after all it turned out that all the plates were in the same place, there was zero need for all this questioning. I was only warming up and wasn't in state yet so upon walking away I said "thanks ur helpful" and she had the doggy eyes that said stay and talk to me. I wasn't in the mood to and knew that after another warmup set I'd be good to go so i just walked away. The point is there is an abundance of women so recognize this and use it to your benefit.

Have confidence and get it out of your head that you don't have anything interesting to say to a girl. At the end of the day it's never ever about what you say, rather it's how you say it. You can say to a girl "i just walked all the way from over there i think i wore a hole in my shoe." That looks like the shittiest line in the world, I know. But deliver it in a smooth manner and the girl is likely swooning.


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The whole premise of your set was built in with a lot of pauses which she possibly perceived as awkward. Got to be in a flow when you speak with a female you're attracted to. To get there, it can help to have a couple of warmup convos with other attractive women as "throwaway" sets.

If you do this and are just laid back about things you will probably very rarely have them eject from a convo. It has almost nothing to do with being clever or witty or whatever, and everything to do with having the vibe that you are a man whose attention is valuable.

The humor thing is just about being flirtatious. You don't want to mimic Chris Rock you just want to be a normal dude about his day, flirty/playful/fun/dominant. If it is APPROPRIATE to drop in something funny do it. The main point is, the girl should be giggling and cooing here & there because your whole persona is light and easy breezy. She feels very privileged to be a part of it all and will do anything to stay in the set.

You want to be in the body language demeanor that you are a man in demand.

I'll give an example: I did a warmup set to get the flow going. I said "hey i know you don't work here but have you seen where the plates are?" (I found out later she knew exactly where they were all along). She said "what kind of plates are u looking for?" I answered. Then she said, "are they for formal dining or everyday...?" Then she asked a couple more questions because she wanted the set to continue - after all it turned out that all the plates were in the same place, there was zero need for all this questioning. I was only warming up and wasn't in state yet so upon walking away I said "thanks ur helpful" and she had the doggy eyes that said stay and talk to me. I wasn't in the mood to and knew that after another warmup set I'd be good to go so i just walked away. The point is there is an abundance of women so recognize this and use it to your benefit.

Have confidence and get it out of your head that you don't have anything interesting to say to a girl. At the end of the day it's never ever about what you say, rather it's how you say it. You can say to a girl "i just walked all the way from over there i think i wore a hole in my shoe." That looks like the shittiest line in the world, I know. But deliver it in a smooth manner and the girl is likely swooning.
So, you're saying that I can do something like interrogate a girl as long as it's done smoothly?


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