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If im not mistaken some of these things are in "The game" and "mystery method", which to my understanding are the building blocks of PUA. I was about to read these books, but im not sure after ive read this. Is this just animosity between competing PUAs?

Yeah I thought it seemed to basically an anti-mystery method video lol

I completely agree with this. All this DHV, peacocking, telling stories crap are cool for "training wheels" but it doesn't build long lasting success and happiness. Eventually women can see through this bullshit... and many new guys come on here so focused on these techniques instead of what's truly important which is confidence, body language, tonality and your mindset.

Seriously think of it... If you have to "DISPLAY" higher value then what does that say about yourself? It says you're too lazy and not confident enough to BECOME a person of higher value.


And women see right through that... so it really doesn't take you much further than a lucky one night stand.

If you have no inner game you're fucked... and if you have inner game you realize these tricks are pointless. It's all marketing because this is what people want to hear... the quick fix over night success techniques.

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I think people take mysterys teaching too literal and take them out of context. For example gambler says not to neg. people still think a neg is just a negative compliment, where in fact it's just a way to show disinterest. Mystery says the best way to neg is doing something like blowing your nose. Also gambler criticises DHVing. Again to dhv is not necessarily telling a story of how great you are. You can tell any story but it's in the way you tell it, if you're enthusiastic and can control the set. Maybe a beginner will be better off using mysterys methodise systematically but in the end it's just the principals you need, particularly for indirect game.

In the current time (2014) the whole "pua" old school style is outdated. The people getting the most results with the ladies these days focus more on really becoming an attractive man on your overall life, as oppossed to learning a "skill" that will fix it all.

Yes, the new way requires skills and practice but with a more natural and self amusing/self discovery type of approach.
Lets face it, pick up is just a small piece of the big puzzle of your life, and getting laid isnt all that, but game is seriously in my opinion a skill every man should possess.

Unfurtunately too many people out there just want your money, but with the right mentors you'll succeed.

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Right off the bat he says don't use "dhv stories" and gives the example of "I was driving in my Ferrari the other day..."

That's not a DHV story. That's being a braggy douche. You're story should have something fairly true where you don't talk about how much money you have or anything like that, but sho that you are a leader of men or have alpha qualities.

One time my friend and I were driving down a dark highway at night (I used to live in the country, no lights or stores for miles sometimes) and we saw a car flipped over in the ditch. Long story short I talked him into pulling over instead of just calling 911. It was a woman driving and she was somewhat delirious and hysterical but still inside the car in the back seat (on the roof since the car was flipped). I managed to talk to her and calm her down for the 10 minutes it took the fire truck and ambulance to get there. She was going to try to crawl through the broken window but I talked her out of it, told her they were on there way and started asking her questions about herself and by the time they got there she was banged up and bruised but calm and collected.

I tell that exact same story to a girl, and depending on how I frame it and tell the story, and I don't focus on how awesome I am at all, but how important it is to stay calm under pressure, and it gets great reactions from girls.

Totally agree with breedlove465.

I tell the story - I was on holiday and i made good mates with 2 girls unfortunately the day before i jumped in the pool stupidly and split my head open(i still have the scar to prove) luckily one of the girls was in the pull the get me out and medical SPAM. But the twist is the next night i couldnt consume alcohol due to painkillers etc so i walked home early to find the girl who saved me severely intoxicated/spiked with some drug so i managed to get her an ambulance and calm her friend while medical staff could help her.

This shows karma, being alpha and composed under pressure and also caring towards others where some people walked by i stopped to help. Also negs are great tools to bring a girl down a peg or 2 if she is extremely over confident. For example.

Was in a bar started talking to this girl she was absolutely gorgeous but very confident and she knew it. So instead of hitting on her like every other guy i said.. 'you have a really lovely smile you know, your slight overbite is kind of cute aswell' great way to bring her down and fair to say she laughed and it ended in a number/kiss close.

People are to quick to rule out certain methods. Every method is valid at some point and i think its rather silly to say this doesnt work and that doesnt work when evidently Mystery and Style are amazing pick up artist's. Not the biggest fan of peacocking as ive never done it however i have fancy dressed on random nights out and the attention you get from that is ridiculous. So i wouldnt be so quick to judge and say old school methods dont work... Its valuable to have all areas covered old and new.

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I don't like the whole idea of "bringing a woman down". if your inner game is solid you don't have to bring people down....

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Disagree with you there brandon but each to there own. You can have the most solid inner game in the world but if the bitch shield is truely up you need a tactic around it and cocky funny normally works this can be classed as a neg.

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I think part of the problem is that people _know_ about Mystery. They saw his TV show, or read articles on Jezebel. Neg a girl these days and she'll probably know you negged her, that you're a PUA and think less of you.

Everyone comes with this argument that girls know. But no one says oh I get called out consistently. Mystery show was cancelled, wasn't a hit, watched more by guys and was years ago. Second, do you think the hot bartender is surfing jezebel on her breaks? This hypothetical argument is wrong. It does not happen and when it does not consistently to stop from using negs or any material. If anyone can say they get called out consistently on negs I'd love to hear this. Do what you want to do without worrying about girls catching you.

Dude, even in Rules of the Game by the end of it Style was finding girls who knew all his routines. It happens.

Plus, a girl might just walk away or shut you out rather than explicitly call you out on something.

And yeah, I do think the hot bartender might read jezebel. It's not like all she does is tend bar 24/7!

Style was getting caught out because at the time those routines and methods were the most common and also he sarged the same areas repeatedly. Also if you read the game people idolized him therefore using all his stuff copying his dress sense even shaving their hair off. Of course woman will notice if 100 guys are running round LA using the same lines. If you came to UK and asked 100 people who mystery or style were i bet 99% would not have a clue.

Point is there is so many styles and routines out there now it is wrong to say dnt use old school methods they are crap and dnt work Stick to 'inner game'. HELL NO ! do what is right in the moment if its right to neg someone neg them if shes shy and a genuine compliment would go far do it. All you guys saying dnt do that do this method either havent trial and error'd all and have stuck loyal to one method or are so narrow minded that you cant see all the variety out there.

ALSO STYLE WAS VOTED PUA OF THE YEAR MANY TIMES SO EVIDENTLY HIS METHODS WORKED AND STILL DO.

Mystery and style testing theories and woman and sometimes never worked sometimes did... thats what the game is all about... EXPECT TO FAIL but when you do you'll be a stronger better person when you try again.

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Too many mights... Ask most attractive girls in your city if they read jezebel and the overwhelming majority will say no. Lol, today's woman, especially attractive ones are simple. Instagram, Facebook, Twitter.. These things are popular because content is quick. I've never had a woman say oh I read this article on jezebel today on xyz. Attention spans are shortening.
Look if you use negs and get called out consistently I can see a point. But I've been in many cities and known many guys who've used negs and they've never been or even had a girl act like she knew. If you say ANYTHING unnaturally or weird you'll get caught. But it's not because of girls knowing about negs or anything. Hot Girls aren't reading dating articles and they're not remembering a sentence or 2 in the thousands of articles out there if they do read them. And they're not remembering a sound bite from a show that didn't even have high enough ratings to keep going. The pickup artist is not the notebook or family guy.

Also depends on where you live. In LA, pick up is known by club chicks.
Maybe they don't know specific routines, but if you roll up wearing a big fuzzy hat and Powerpuff Girl rings on your fingers, she'll know you're one of those "pick-up guys".

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