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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:30 am 
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Sometimes, after I initiate a conversation with a girl, the girl would end up either excusing herself politely saying that she going to somewhere or do something like go to the bathroom or go back to working out or meet up with a friend or friends or end the conversation by saying "okay well, nice to meet you, bye!" One example was back when I was still new to the gym that I go to now and it was this hot asian girl at my gym who I approached and conversed with. Before trying to talk to and getting to know her, I first had her notice me at the gym for several days in order to have her eventually recognize me as a regular at the gym instead of being seen as some complete newbie stranger. Also, each time I got her to notice me I would look at her for a few seconds until she noticed me and then she would either just smile at me or say hi to me with a smile. So this is how it basically went when I finally approached and initiated a conversation with her on that day:

Me: (I walked up to her calmly)
Her: (As soon as she notices me she takes her headphones off and smiles) Hey.
Me: Hey, how's it going? (Saying it with a half-smile).
Her: Good. How about you?
Me: Good. Hey, you know I think I've seen you at least few times in this gym. What's
Your name? (I extended my right hand toward her for a handshake as I half-smile again).
Her: I am (her name).
There is a pause in the conversation for a sec. (But I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter).
Her: What's your name?
Me: I am (my name). So, do you workout here often?
Her: Yeah, like about 4 times a week.
Me: Ah, that's good.
Her: Do you?
Me: Yeah, I workout here at least a few times a week.
Her: (she nods).
There another is a pause in the conversation for a sec. (But again I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter).
Me: So how long have you been a member here for?
Her: I have been at this gym for over 2 years.
Me: oh, wow!
Her: how about you?
Me: Yeah, I just joined a few months ago.
Her: Oh, okay.
There is another pause in the conversation for a sec. (But again I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter and staying calm).
Her: Okay, well nice to mee to you, bye! (Walks away with a smile).


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:03 am 
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That is standard or normal conversation. It's the interview type.

If you want to keep a girl's interest level in you really high, you have to calibrate whether you'll do a standard or 'normal' conversation or go somewhat over-the-top and give her an emotional roller coaster ride. A few times 'normal conversation' gets you to kino. A few times a cocky funny emotional roller coaster ride gets you that kino, isolation bounce and pussy.

It appears that your non-verbals isn't enough to spike attraction. Maybe you'll need to fix your grooming or ratchet up your gym time and then try this 'normal' conversation again.

If that still doesn't work, you'll need some sort of emotional rollercoaster ride routine to ramp up her emotions and get her attracted. Don't be afraid to explore the fringes or go over-the-top. It's all part of the calibration process until you get it all just about right.

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That is standard or normal conversation. It's the interview type.

If you want to keep a girl's interest level in you really high, you have to calibrate whether you'll do a standard or 'normal' conversation or go somewhat over-the-top and give her an emotional roller coaster ride. A few times 'normal conversation' gets you to kino. A few times a cocky funny emotional roller coaster ride gets you that kino, isolation bounce and pussy.

It appears that your non-verbals isn't enough to spike attraction. Maybe you'll need to fix your grooming or ratchet up your gym time and then try this 'normal' conversation again.

If that still doesn't work, you'll need some sort of emotional rollercoaster ride routine to ramp up her emotions and get her attracted. Don't be afraid to explore the fringes or go over-the-top. It's all part of the calibration process until you get it all just about right.

Exactly this - Hellhound is spot on.

You may not have made any errors, but you didn't spark interest either.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:45 pm 
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That is standard or normal conversation. It's the interview type.

If you want to keep a girl's interest level in you really high, you have to calibrate whether you'll do a standard or 'normal' conversation or go somewhat over-the-top and give her an emotional roller coaster ride. A few times 'normal conversation' gets you to kino. A few times a cocky funny emotional roller coaster ride gets you that kino, isolation bounce and pussy.

It appears that your non-verbals isn't enough to spike attraction. Maybe you'll need to fix your grooming or ratchet up your gym time and then try this 'normal' conversation again.

If that still doesn't work, you'll need some sort of emotional rollercoaster ride routine to ramp up her emotions and get her attracted. Don't be afraid to explore the fringes or go over-the-top. It's all part of the calibration process until you get it all just about right.
Okay, but how do you know for sure that that is why she ended the conversation like that when it wasn't personal to begin with?

Also, what do u mean by ratcheting up my gym time?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:41 am 
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Your conversation with her is so boring. You were not conveying enough interest in her. Have fun with her. Don't make this like a burden and you'll find something interesting to say to her.
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Me: I am (my name). So, do you workout here often?
Her: Yeah, like about 4 times a week.
If I were in your position, I'd probably say: Wow, do you wanna be a superhero or something?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:59 pm 
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I don't mean to sound like a dickhead, but this conversation was about as interesting to read as the one between a middle aged man complimenting his pensioneer neighbor on her freshly mown lawn in a random suburb. It was cordial, no more and no less. Try spicing it up a bit next time. A post I kind of liked about this subject...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:32 pm 
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I don't mean to sound like a dickhead, but this conversation was about as interesting to read as the one between a middle aged man complimenting his pensioneer neighbor on her freshly mown lawn in a random suburb. It was cordial, no more and no less. Try spicing it up a bit next time. A post I kind of liked about this subject...

becoming-over-social-attractive-vt18295 ... ilit=TASTE
Well, I thought I was nice-looking and confident when I was interacting with her. So, why wasn't that enough to spark interest in me? Also, I thought that confidence was the main key to attracting women.


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LOL are you kidding me bro? Is this even a question? You should be asking, WHY would anyone want to carry on that type of awkward conversation that isn't going anywhere? She walked away because she knew you had nothing special to say but small talk and she left to avoid the inevitable outcome of either awkward silence or talking about the weather.

Try this next time: right after you open, immediately jump to a DHV story/routine that could actually get a real conversation started (do NOT do senseless polite small talk).


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:42 am 
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LOL are you kidding me bro? Is this even a question? You should be asking, WHY would anyone want to carry on that type of awkward conversation that isn't going anywhere? She walked away because she knew you had nothing special to say but small talk and she left to avoid the inevitable outcome of either awkward silence or talking about the weather.

Try this next time: right after you open, immediately jump to a DHV story/routine that could actually get a real conversation started (do NOT do senseless polite small talk).
That sounds good, but I don't know how to tell a good story for one or come up with a good DHV routine.
Again, my understanding has been that having confidence and looking good are the only two main things that can significantly increase your sex appeal.

Then again, is it possible that she just wasn't naturally attracted to me, because they say that, at least to some degree, attraction is not a choice, meaning that men and women have no control over who they find sexually attractive anymore than they can control the weather? Right? Isn't it to some extent that a girl is either attracted to you from the first second she has ever seen me or she is not?


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Sometimes, after I initiate a conversation with a girl, the girl would end up either excusing herself politely saying that she going to somewhere or do something like go to the bathroom or go back to working out or meet up with a friend or friends or end the conversation by saying "okay well, nice to meet you, bye!" One example was back when I was still new to the gym that I go to now and it was this hot asian girl at my gym who I approached and conversed with. Before trying to talk to and getting to know her, I first had her notice me at the gym for several days in order to have her eventually recognize me as a regular at the gym instead of being seen as some complete newbie stranger. Also, each time I got her to notice me I would look at her for a few seconds until she noticed me and then she would either just smile at me or say hi to me with a smile. So this is how it basically went when I finally approached and initiated a conversation with her on that day:

Me: (I walked up to her calmly)
Her: (As soon as she notices me she takes her headphones off and smiles) Hey.
Me: Hey, how's it going? (Saying it with a half-smile).
Her: Good. How about you?
Me: Good. Hey, you know I think I've seen you at least few times in this gym. What's
Your name? (I extended my right hand toward her for a handshake as I half-smile again).
Her: I am (her name).
There is a pause in the conversation for a sec. (But I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter).
Her: What's your name?
Me: I am (my name). So, do you workout here often?
Her: Yeah, like about 4 times a week.
Me: Ah, that's good.
Her: Do you?
Me: Yeah, I workout here at least a few times a week.
Her: (she nods).
There another is a pause in the conversation for a sec. (But again I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter).
Me: So how long have you been a member here for?
Her: I have been at this gym for over 2 years.
Me: oh, wow!
Her: how about you?
Me: Yeah, I just joined a few months ago.
Her: Oh, okay.
There is another pause in the conversation for a sec. (But again I just kept my eye contact on her without making a nervous laughter and staying calm).
Her: Okay, well nice to mee to you, bye! (Walks away with a smile).
This happens because you allow a lull which leads her to say she has to go. She feels an awkward moment of silence coming and she has to fill this by saying she has to go.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:53 pm 
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No one seems to be answering any of my questions from my 2 most recent posts.

So, I am gonna ask this. What if someone had great confidence, but mediocre conversation skills, then would that person's confidence alone be enough to makeup for talking only about average or "boring" stuff?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:24 am 
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No one seems to be answering any of my questions from my 2 most recent posts.

So, I am gonna ask this. What if someone had great confidence, but mediocre conversation skills, then would that person's confidence alone be enough to makeup for talking only about average or "boring" stuff?
No man, look at George W Bush. Or at me, for that matter. Recently, I got out of a relationship, and my PUA skills went to shit. I would not say my confidence was the problem (if anything, it was the same as before I went into it, and I didn't have too many problems to get laid beforehand), but my skills really needed (and still need) to be properly fine tuned again.

Is anything, I say that you don't see that often (a confident guy not being succesful with girls) because said confidence will usually drive him into trying again and again without caring too much until he is on top of his game again. But until that happens, it is crash and burn again and again (also, of course said confidence is a bonus or even a requirement in a succesful conversation... But still, it needs to be directed).

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That sounds good, but I don't know how to tell a good story for one or come up with a good DHV routine.
To begin with write it down and practice. I think it was from the book How To Talk To How Women by Mehow. ( http://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Hot-Wome ... 1936661934 ) . The idea is pretty much to write a story down and cut into 10 second sound bites, each of which creates an emotional reaction. Then polish it and memorise and practice in front of the mirror a couple of times. At least you will have 1 great story.
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Again, my understanding has been that having confidence and looking good are the only two main things that can significantly increase your sex appeal.
Imagine you are a book. What do you want from a book? You want to have a great experience reading it, getting to the climax and ending(or no ending and you crave for a sequel). Your appearance and the confidence is the cover. These days anyone can make a great looking book on the outside. However you will not want to read through the book if the story is boring and it doesn't drive your imagination. Your conversation with the girl IS the story that the book is telling. So when you approached her and showed her the first paragraph of the book she was pretty much thinking "Oh here is an interesting looking book." That is when she smiled at you, "But there are a 100 good looking books around me. Let's see what's inside it." That is when she started talking to you, or opened the first chapter of the book, "Ohh.... This is actually borring, it doesn't drive my imagination". That is the point when she put the book down, or in other words ended the conversation with you.

Just like you will not read a book, just because the book has a good cover, she will not be interested in you just because you have great looks. There's hundreds of guys she sees every day who look great. But not many who have great content.
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Then again, is it possible that she just wasn't naturally attracted to me, because they say that, at least to some degree, attraction is not a choice, meaning that men and women have no control over who they find sexually attractive anymore than they can control the weather? Right? Isn't it to some extent that a girl is either attracted to you from the first second she has ever seen me or she is not?
She was attracted to you. She even asked your name without you having to introduce yourself! That is a sign of interest. However you did not provide any other value to her and she lost the attraction.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:00 am 
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To begin with write it down and practice. I think it was from the book How To Talk To How Women by Mehow. ( http://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Hot-Wome ... 1936661934 ) . The idea is pretty much to write a story down and cut into 10 second sound bites, each of which creates an emotional reaction. Then polish it and memorise and practice in front of the mirror a couple of times. At least you will have 1 great story.
How do I know for sure if what I wrote down was exciting enough for generally any girl?
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Imagine you are a book. What do you want from a book? You want to have a great experience reading it, getting to the climax and ending(or no ending and you crave for a sequel). Your appearance and the confidence is the cover. These days anyone can make a great looking book on the outside. However you will not want to read through the book if the story is boring and it doesn't drive your imagination. Your conversation with the girl IS the story that the book is telling. So when you approached her and showed her the first paragraph of the book she was pretty much thinking "Oh here is an interesting looking book." That is when she smiled at you, "But there are a 100 good looking books around me. Let's see what's inside it." That is when she started talking to you, or opened the first chapter of the book, "Ohh.... This is actually borring, it doesn't drive my imagination". That is the point when she put the book down, or in other words ended the conversation with you.

Just like you will not read a book, just because the book has a good cover, she will not be interested in you just because you have great looks. There's hundreds of guys she sees every day who look great. But not many who have great content.
I see. Well, many people throughout my life have been saying things to me such as "you are so good-looking and a likable person. You just got to have confidence in yourself and you"ll get a girl or girls." Or like "you are going to get all the ladies because you look like this model." However, I guess in accordance to what you are saying all that stuff they said to me were just a pack of clichés. Right?

I mean, ultimately you're saying that when it comes to seducing women it doesn't matter how physically attractive you are and/or how likable and/or how accomplished or successful you aren't your conversational skills are poor or even insipidly mediocre. Furthermore, are all of the successful PUAs on this website's forum insinuating that a guy will never get laid (without luck) if his conversational skills suck not above average?
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She was attracted to you. She even asked your name without you having to introduce yourself! That is a sign of interest. However you did not provide any other value to her and she lost the attraction.
Oh, okay. Well, I see what you mean. Then, I guess that's a shame for me that I failed with her.


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