Been said a thousand times before and will be said a thousand times again. But let's all be reminded: STOP PUTTING SUCH RIDICULOUS VALUE ON GIRLS.

The ridiculous value set upon girls is so high on forums and in the pickup community. It's apparent just in the language.

"I number closed a stripper!"

"I k-closed an actress!"

"I fucked the 10 from the club!"

Get rid of such language once and for all. You think people outside the community who are good with girls use such language? No. Most will tell you that they're just people, like you, your friends, and me. An actress is just another girl like the one you don't even look at in class or work. They're all the same. Stop putting such stupid value on them, and focus on your own value.

Treat girls like girls, like humans, because that's what they are, no matter their job, their appearance, their perceived societal value. It's all perceived. Getting rid of this language is the first step.

Do it.

I second you. And I know I'm going to be hated for saying this but this is what I see when I read statements like "I fucked the 10 from the club! or "I k-closed an actress!"

1. "I'm still looking for acceptance and approval. This time from you guys."
2. "I derive my value from my ability to sleep with pretty girls."
3. "I can only see women as sex dolls hence why their value is based on their looks. I'm not misogynist though."

It would be a shame if you get into an accident and become disfigured. Maybe then you would appreciate and understand the importance of knowing that the value of a person goes beyond their appearance. But you're all know hitting the gym and looking good so being shallow and around shallow people works for you. Just remember that you're not getting any younger and don't blame the world for kicking you to the curb when you have nothing else to offer because all you ever had to offer was of no substance.

Another option is to add non-sexual actions to the language that will make women more human and not just sex objects. Things like:

1. I number closed an accountant after she gave me a blowjob and charged me nothing for the tax preparation work she did for me.

2. I fucked closed a 10 and she did my laundry after a great fuck.

3. I banged my princess doggie style and she gladly walked my dog in the park and cooked me some breakfast.

Balance between sexual and non-sexual. I think that's the key.

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As miniscule as this is I think it would be better to phrase girls as girls, because that's what they are. Just humans.

Number 3 I like though haha.

I don't understand this view. I mean, isn't a picking up women site /community mean value is inherently placed on women? For example... On a fishing forum, how can you not expect guys to mention the size of the fish they catch? How does 1 convey achievement without mentioning what the girl looks like? And if looks shouldn't be important, what do we value?

Lets face it though to most men a woman has very little value beyond her looks until you get to know them very well.

I dont see a hot blonde with double D breasts walking by in heels and a mini-skirt and think to myself WOW I bet she's a really nice person

I get what the OP is saying, i just don't see the connection to the language. I never had a problem with the old school pickup ratings (HB 8, HB 4, HB 10) because it's just a measure of how attractive people are physically. I don't see a problem with saying someone is hot, same way I don't see a problem with saying someone is short, fat, unattractive, asian, black or whatever. If I say I pulled a 10, and you give me more respect for that, that's the READER's seeing a 10 as a bigger achievement than a 5. The reader is the one who puts the value on a stripper, or a 10. Changing the language won't change what people see as valuable.

Talk to anyone who has learnt a skill and they will tell you that the higher value lies in the process and not in the end result/"prize". If you are putting such high value on looks your "results" will reflect that. You can appreciate a woman's looks of course, but really the main realization most people have yet to make is that focusing on the process, on learning the skill and having fun with pickup itself will inherently get you the "results" that you want.

Achievement? Achievement for me lies in trying something new in a pickup. For example if you were always to scared to pull a girl from a bar or club, and then you decide, "fuck it, I'm pulling now" even if you don't pull, the achievement lies in you having done something new that helps you learn. After a while achievement really isn't getting a "10" anymore, but rather achievement is trying new things and practicing.

So in terms of language, why are we focusing so much on "Almost got that 10!" or "HB9 doesn't want to speak to me!" when we can instead focus on "Almost pulled!" or "How do I move things forward with this girl?"

Placing value on anything other than your own actions leads to high expectations, anxiety, and misery. A lot of things are out of your control, apart from your own actions. Why not place value on that instead?