Update on the situation.

So I texted her today after I got home if she can get out in 30 minutes. When I open my FB feed though, it seems she left with some friends to a water park seemingly for the week-end. She will, at the earliest, be back in town Monday night because one of them is(from what I could make out from the names and her stories) the "boyfriend" whom, if, again, I did my math right, she is upset upon. Here's the catch though: last time we separated, she said "call me whenever" and didn't even mention leaving town. What should I do with this? I don't really have one-itis in the sense that I NEED her, if that's what you guys suggest. It's just that I never like doing things half-way through, so I would really like to at least K-close this girl.

What can you do she's out of town with her man.

Really, you're barking up the wrong tree. If you don't have onenittis then it's about your ego. Either way this isn't a good thing. Go game other girls, forget this one.

Update on this one: It turns out it wasn't her man she went out with, but just a couple of friends. Their relationship is pretty much on the edge right now, since she went into an argument with him last night and gave him an ultimatum:1.change according to her demands(I'm assuming he started flirting with other girls and that's what bothered her), 2. open relationship, 3.break up. I'm ok with either of the last two outcomes to be honest. Now on to what happened last night: we went for drinks, personally I think it went better than usual, she started talking to me about her clothes and we both agreed she should wear one of her hot black skirts on our next date(I'm taking that as a big IOI, since she wanted to do something to make me happy), then we hugged a lot, went for a walk and talked about future plans(as in, we gotta go clubbing together and what-not). She seems to enjoy everything and I pretty much think I might be the catalyst of their break-up(or at least I hope so, she doesn't seem too bothered with the idea either).

EDIT: A funny thing happened at the bar as well. There's an HB8 I tried to set up a date with, but she refused because she had a boyfriend(legit). However, she came straight to our table and chatted with me for a while. I kept being ambiguous about the fact that she owed me one(a date, we know each other for a long time, so she took it lightly) and then she went out. I think that really touched my date since she seemed a bit silent for a couple of minutes after the HB8 left. I pretty much think that was in my favor.

did you kiss her this time?

If she is initiating hugs its basically her begging for you to kiss her. Her ASD won't let her start it.

Being popular with other woman can be a DHV, did you introduce them to each other or let her sit there in silence, ignored whilst the HB8 had your attention?

Rough rocks if she's ditched her boyfriend because he's flirting with other women.

Kill me, because no, I didn't. I figured since she was already mad because she talked with her boyfriend during our date about their state of the relationship(she was visibly disturbed about their conversation) it would only make her feel worse and actually end up hating me for making her feel very weird about it. She didn't really initiate it, but never tried to get out of my arms either. I didn't introduce them to each other, I just ignored her while talking to the HB8, was that a bad move by me? Also I don't really get what you mean by that last sentence: is it a good thing or a bad thing for me?

As for some added things on her: she absolutely refuses to hold hands with me, despite being perfectly ok with hugging, me touching her while we sit down and even at the end of the date after we hugged we spent a couple of seconds having eye contact(that's when I was about to kill myself for not kissing her, I figured that was pretty much my cue). She didn't really pull her hand abruptly or stuff, but whenever I pick her up from a chair/bench/whatever I try to maintain that hand contact and she always pulls away. What am I supposed to pick up from this?

And since we're on the topic, what should my move be to be completely sure she breaks up with her boyfriend? I guess the SMT would be out of the question since it's pretty obvious I'm not going to be able to create a good image of him in her head, considering they started arguing pretty badly. Should I just sit in the darkness and wait? Or make a move while she is still mad at him?

I haven't read all the posts, but I seem to get the feeling that you have convinced yourself you didn't kiss her because she had a "boyfriend" after you wussed out at the initial chance to K Close. Any girl who holds my hand and cuddles me in a park is getting a K Close whether she likes it or not, that's too much of an IOI for me.

Yeah, that might be true. However, she simply refuses to hold my hand. As for the cuddling, she doesn't initiate it, I'm the one that does. She just doesn't mind and goes along.

We went on another date tonight. All the hints she gave me were that she broke up with her boyfriend(even her "engagement" ring was missing). We chatted a lot, I used kino quite a fair bit(and successfully, I hugged her from behind, massaged her lower back, right above her ass) and eventually I drove her home. This time, I actually went for the K-close. She gave me a lot of signals that her resistance was dropping(while we were at the table, she actually maintained hand-in-hand contact as much as I liked to, only interrupting when actually needed). However, when I went for the K-close, she just gave me the cheek. She didn't laugh, mock me or anything, she just turned the cheek. For all I can tell, my next move is keep going for the K-close until I will succeed. She also forgot her hairband on my wrist, so I naturally assume that's a very valid date reason for myself.

you're starting to make this sound pretty wussy.

why are you consistently trying to hug her? holding her hand? in a restaurant? rubbing her back? wearing her hair band on your wrist?
How many dates have you had with this girl now? I'm not even like that with girls i'm actually sleeping with until at least a few months.

Of course she's not going to laugh at you or mock you to your face, same reason she doesn't mind you hugging her but wouldn't hold your hand. She's polite and doesn't want to tell you to get off of her.

Did she wear her hot little black dress this time?
When needing to break hand holding did she re-initiate or did you?


Every post you make its becoming more obvious that she's not very interested.

I didn't consistently try to hug her, it's more or less the way I used to end the date with my other girlfriends, take them home, a hug, then a kiss. She didn't wear the dress because actually she was in pain, she fell down some stairs while out of town. She initiated holding a couple of times. The rubbing her back was a bit exaggerated on my part I guess. It wasn't actually a massage, more like a friendly peck, and it was while we were walking to the restaurant(she said she hurt her back, I said where, and she put my hand right above her ass, so decided to linger there for a bit, she didn't seem to mind though).
EDIT: I'm pretty sure I didn't say we went to a restaurant. We actually went to a half bar half restaurant place. I'm not taking her to a restaurant since we're not anywhere near that sort of thing. We are just having fun.

I don't quite understand why having back pain means she can't wear a skirt. Did she say this was the reason outright?

How many times did you hug her?
You've hit the nail on the head. Not just for the touch but overall. friendly

You hadn't said restaurant then no, but you said you were sat at a table. So I assumed.

My advice is you are coming on too strong. back off and wait for her to contact you.

Why don't you hook up with an easy girl HB7 or lower, suggest a double date with her and her boyfriend.

I see some advantages:
You might get over any one-itis you might have towards this girl.
You can get more info on her relationship and cockblock him.
You can SHV her by bringing a date.
You can hook up your date with her friend and steal the prize.

The boyfriend is gone. She pretty much made it clear by removing him from conversations, not using the phone at all during dates and removing the jewelry he gave her. Anyway, I was gone for a week, if anything interesting happens I'll post it here.

P.S: While I was gone something really weird happened and I would like to not create another topic for this since I just want some stuff clarified. So I went out with my cousin(he's a guy). I hooked up with a girl at the pub that he knew and he wants to hook up with her friend. Anyway, back to myself: I made out a couple times with this girl, she seemed very into me, she started asking why do I have to go(I would leave in 2 days) and so on. So next day we decide to go out, the 4 of us.
Something really weird happened with her overnight. She kind of refused to talk to me, she didn't mind me holding her hand, cuddling with her and so on, but she seemed very quiet and distracted. I decided not to make a big deal out of it after I realized I pretty much couldn't do anything about it.
When we arrived home, getting ready to go out with all of the guys and girls we usually hang out with, we decided to pick the girls up. First we picked up my cousin's "friend" then we went for her house. When we almost reached her we got a phone call from her, saying that she is out with a couple of friends and she's heading for the pub. We got a ride and got to the pub, grabbed a side room for all of us and opened up a bottle of beer. She arrived after us, but after that sign of disrespect I decided to not open her and just wait for her reaction. She didn't do anything about it, didn't even open me, so I proceeded to have fun the entire night. She seemed very upset, I guess she was expecting me to be mad or something. My questions are:
1. Could drinks have swayed her perception of me so much that she basically loved me the night we met, but didn't really care about me the next day?
2. Is there anything I could've done better?
To be clear, I'm not looking to re-ignite her. I don't really care about that girl because she was just some vacation fun for me, but I want improvement for my future.