We have a lot of new people come in here, that are socially retarded and physically unattractive. They don't need advice on being really cool or on hot girls. They need advice on being semi-normal and average/chubby(not fat) women.

But I'm not aware of anything for them. Blogs, books, youtube channels, anything. I'd like to have something to point them to, but I just don't see it anywhere.

One of the reasons a lot of guys burn out is because they have zero success. Which is to be expected when you start out 30 lbs underweight, with no friends and start trying to hit on the hottest girls in clubs. You need a year in the gym to be decent, and you need experience to have any chance with hot girls. Which means they need to start on more average women.

Plain girls may have more in common with hot girls than men or fat women, but it's pretty different. Being "really" confident is going to ruin your chances with average girls, because they think you're out of their league. But hot girls can sniff out inexperience like a basset hound.

I know some guys are just looking for an alternative Kool-aid supply, and they're convinced they can take a few hours off from the computer without bathing or shaving in four days and wander out to the club and pull back models to play Guitar Hero with them. Obviously the delusional guys can't be helped with this. But the rational ones can be.
We need something for them. Something that works now/soon. Not something that can work in three years. Worry about the pros once you're doing well in AAs.

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Well wouldn't these same losers gain more confidence going after the hotter ones?

Confidence is confidence, dude. Some very very VERY shy guys may find it easier to spot game and break themselves of bad habits by talking to ugly chicks. But by focusing on improving their inner game, they can approach any girl regardless of look or status.

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I've seen fat dudes with very beutiful women, only difference? confidence, and a lot of it.

Most of the women i've talked to admit that they just want confidence in a man, that some of them could look past a little physical imperfection.


Just tell them to own themselves before hand, than that will be a good start.

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I note that everyone is ignoring the "socially retarded" part. Failing over and over again does not breed confidence. Ugly, socially awkward losers don't get hot girls. You need to become average, before you can become good. All of that takes time.
Ah, the mythical "fat guy with game". The man who doesn't actually exist.

There's a certain logical fallacy I see employed in the community a lot. It is basically this: I saw a fat/ugly/old man with a hot girl. Therefore, they're dating and it's possible to consistently do this while looking like them!

The problem is, if you actually meet any of these guys, you find out that they do NOT in fact consistently date hot women, and this was a one-off thing. And more often than not, you see the fat guy with a hot girl, assume they're dating, and they're actually just shopping buddies.

Can a fat, ugly, smelly, Indian guy somehow once date an attractive woman? Sure. Just like he can win $500 on his first scratch-off ticket purchase. But can he consistently get attractive women? No.

I've been asking to meet this "fat guy with game" for years. Nobody seems to know this guy. It's weird, since everyone talks about him.

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No one is ignoring any piece of what you posted. Confidence is confidence. Building the inner game from inside out is not a focus on one type of woman but a focus on the individual themself. The point is to enforce the new feelings, actions and situations they encounter until it becomes familiar.

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Physical looks are not a problem, handsomeness is. Any guy, tall or short, bald or hairy, skinny or overweight, average looking or bad looking can be handsome. If you take any "ugly" guy and put some effort on him such as a new haircut, new outfits which suit him and a good cologne, he'll be able to hook up with the hottest chick regardless of how fat/skinny he is. Men don't realize the power of handsomeness. Women tend to work on themselves for hours in order to become attractive. On the other hand, a guy only needs a small effort that can be achieved in one day in order to attract any girl.

Now relating that to your topic, it's better for these guys to go after the hottest chicks out there. If they've done that, then their confidence increases; thus, they'll be able to pursue any girl once they decide to settle. It's worth mentioning that every guy has his own definition of ugly or hot. Thus, a girl who will look attractive to you will look unattractive to another, and a girl who looks unattractive to you will look attractive in another guy's perspective. What we have here is that we'll reach a conclusion where all girls will be taken (bound to a relationship) since they'll go to what suits them best. In other words, don't worry about the average looking girls being ignored by guys because they think that they are out of their league, because for some guys these girls will be attractive.

Lol. "Handsome" obese men.
Please show me this handsome obese man, that any woman would be willing to fuck.
If you had a person who had never worked out, and weighed 130lbs, would you load up a bar with 200lbs of weights and tell him to "Bench 250, bro!"? Because that's what you're suggesting here.

It's impossible for him to do this. Will failing to bench 250 make him stronger? Yes, actually it will. But it will work much slower than having him just lift the 50lb bar, and he'll be dramatically less likely to sustain a severe injury.

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Doubt that product would sell very well...

"CHECK OUT ALL THESE PLAIN JANES WITH NO TITS YOU COULD BE FUCKING!!! OR HOW ABOUT THIS CHUBBY CHICK WITH FLAPPY BOOBS? ALL THIS COULD BE YOURS IF YOU STOP FAPPING AND BUY A TICKET TO MY BOOTCAMP: "HOW TO DATE HAGS WITHOUT GETTING SYPHILIS FOR UGLY GUYS!"

If I was an ugly guy, I'd rather fap to genuine hot women than fuck girls who need a paper bag on their head. A fat chick with a pretty face and huge gazungas though, yes, I'm not gonna lie, I've been there and would happily go there again.

Not to mention, almost everything we men are judged on in terms of our looks can be changed. Clothing, posture, build, grooming are probably the big four and those are all able to be altered with time and effort. So yeah, I dont see the point in making a program for guys with extra limbs, or an upside down nose. Hell if you exercise, eat decent (not bodybuilder style, just decent), brush your teeth, floss, wear deodorant and wear clothes without stains and holes that fits reasonably well and you're at least average looking.

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Possibly not. Which is why I listed things like blogs and youtube channels as well. But a 250lb virgin banging this chick is frankly going WAY out of his league. To then have several posters sit here and tell me, "Pffft, he can bag Maxim cover models" is ludicrous.

This is why guys burn out. They are not only sold lies by marketers, they are then retold the same lie, by people who seem to lack any sort of observational skills and just parrot back what marketers told them. There is literally no objective evidence of obese men consistently sleeping with attractive women. None. Ever. It's harmful to tell an obese man he can fuck hot women. No, he can not. Not until he gets in better shape. Period. Lying to him does not help him.
So did I. A pretty girl with big boobs who was very chubby(about 150lbs). I had dated much better looking girls, but had had very little sex at that point. I fucked that girl almost daily for three months and gained TONS of needed experience. After that experience, I had sex with more girls in the next three months than I had my entire time in high school up to that point.

I was fucking up with hotter girls because I was inexperienced. It probably would have taken me until Sophomore year in college to reach that amount of experience if I learned at the rate I was through most of high school.
Again, this is where they start. They are ugly and socially retarded now. It makes a lot more sense for them to learn how to have conversations with receptive women than it does to endlessly get blown out, until they've put a year in the gym and saved up five grand for their new blingin' wardrobe(I imagine being a "handsome obese man" is not cheap).
Rather than saying "Go hit the gym, and then hit on hotter girls", why not have them develop both skill sets simultaneously? Otherwise, after a year in the gym, we now have an average looking man, who's still socially retarded. If he had been gaining social skills during the same period, he'd already be well along the way.
And he's more likely to stay motivated on both sides, if he's having improvement on all fronts, instead of making progress in one group at a time.

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I like your points V. Yes consistency is forgotten these days. It's less of what to consistently do to get results and more of "this one thing worked one time so it's possible = keep doing it."

However, I think it's unrealistic that new guys would want to learn how to bang fatties. I mean, this is what someone is attracted to. Can you make someone who wants 10's, want a 2? Telling them the reasons why they should go lower is fine, but it wouldnt change what they want. I'd recommend the 250lb guys to go indirect though instead of going through the toughness of direct and burning out as you said.

A dude who is that obese? His priority is not girls, it's food.

A chubby guy, no problem.

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I didn't say fat. I said plain/chubby. The thing is, getting an average woman as a fat, ugly man is the equivalent of a regular guy getting a fitness model. An obese man getting a fitness model has no equivalent, because it doesn't happen.

And I've seen rather attractive men bang 3s. ANY man should be able to manage a 5. Or even a 4, really.

The only girl I would even consider in this group is second from left, and really only if she fell in my lap with zero effort or she was extremely cool.

However, If I had NO other options, could I bang all of them? Yes(with the possible exception of the far right). It beats forced celibacy and for our socially awkward ugly guy, it also builds much needed experience along the way to hotter girls.

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