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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:33 pm 
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I think this community could do with a little reminder on ego and giving value...


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An amazing post a insight that I myself have had experience with in the past few months.

My current girlfriend had reached a point in her dating life where she was extremely selfish. Having been fucked over by a few guys, she removed emotion from sex, and thus had a few one night stands and "fuck buddies" where her only aim, and I quote, "is to make myself cum". When I had met her in the bar, I had reached a point and mindset of "giving with out expecting anything", because it will happen at some point anyway. I had reached a point where giving was my only aim, self amusement and thus providing fun and love was really all I wanted to do. Sure enough I had a one night stand with her at first, but I expected zero from her. I didn't even care if I got laid that night or ever even saw her again, just the interaction with her was incredible.

Anyway, we started seeing each other intensely and I noticed she had a very cold, hard, exterior shell. I, on the other hand, did my best to show continual love, almost unconditional love. Sure enough, she began to open up, and slowly transformed from the hard woman to the soft girl. And whilst it has been hard to show continual love without expectation, it is really the best way to play this game, and really play any interaction with any person. It is something so rare, it is the reason why girls are so bitchy for example, or have a "bitch shield" or whatever you may call it. They are hardened from all the guys that treat them like shit, that expect something from them without first giving, who only care about getting, taking. However, the switch from taking to giving will give you all the results you want, but the paradox is that you don't even really want them anymore.

I had lengthy conversations with her about sex and it is very interesting and indeed insightful to hear her side. She had truly reached the point where she had had enough, where her only interest was her own satisfaction, and that was it, because she never received genuine love anymore. No one opened up to her emotionally, and thus she wouldn't open up to them emotionally. And trust me, it is incredible, truly incredible to see another person come to enlightenment, actual emotional enlightenment. The last time we had sex she cried, because she felt such an intense emotional bond, and in her own words described it as a "transcendental experience" where she had left her body. When we were done, she lay there, tears running down her cheek, shaking emotionally, and confessed it was the best sex she ever had, because she never experienced anything like that. And this from a girl, who a few months ago was literally egotistical, selfish, hard, cold, and sometimes even mean. If you just open the path and show them the way, they can have experiences that they would've never even dreamed of. It actually made me cry to see her have such an experience. I couldn't believe it, it was that feeling that you get after doing an extremely good deed. It was almost a feeling of "my job here is done". Giving truly is the essence to it all.

Great post Chief. Really.


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Anyway, we started seeing each other intensely and I noticed she had a very cold, hard, exterior shell. I, on the other hand, did my best to show continual love, almost unconditional love. Sure enough, she began to open up, and slowly transformed from the hard woman to the soft girl. And whilst it has been hard to show continual love without expectation, it is really the best way to play this game, and really play any interaction with any person. It is something so rare, it is the reason why girls are so bitchy for example, or have a "bitch shield" or whatever you may call it. They are hardened from all the guys that treat them like shit, that expect something from them without first giving, who only care about getting, taking. However, the switch from taking to giving will give you all the results you want, but the paradox is that you don't even really want them anymore.

I had lengthy conversations with her about sex and it is very interesting and indeed insightful to hear her side. She had truly reached the point where she had had enough, where her only interest was her own satisfaction, and that was it, because she never received genuine love anymore. No one opened up to her emotionally, and thus she wouldn't open up to them emotionally. And trust me, it is incredible, truly incredible to see another person come to enlightenment, actual emotional enlightenment. The last time we had sex she cried, because she felt such an intense emotional bond, and in her own words described it as a "transcendental experience" where she had left her body. When we were done, she lay there, tears running down her cheek, shaking emotionally, and confessed it was the best sex she ever had, because she never experienced anything like that. And this from a girl, who a few months ago was literally egotistical, selfish, hard, cold, and sometimes even mean. If you just open the path and show them the way, they can have experiences that they would've never even dreamed of. It actually made me cry to see her have such an experience. I couldn't believe it, it was that feeling that you get after doing an extremely good deed. It was almost a feeling of "my job here is done". Giving truly is the essence to it all.
Simply beautiful.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:33 am 
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Here's some heavy stuff.

When I was in middle school, I was depressed. It was pretty bad. I thought nobody in the world could ever really care about me. In turn, I didn't give a damn about anyone, myself, the world, whatever. I saw life through a narrow pessimistic scope. I saw myself as worthless, useless, and also as a victim. I had no faith in humanity or its potential to love. I remember one time I was sitting at my desk, reaching for the nearest long sharp object I could grab hold of. It was a foot-long pair of scissors and I held the sharp end against my neck. Fuck writing a note or a last letter; I didn't give a shit. I was sitting in front of my computer because that's where I usually was. I was pretty withdrawn and not very social, which explains why I would just be in front of the computer a lot, but of course I had that secret desire to be able to have fun and be social with others, so I was logged onto AOL Instant Messenger. By sheer coincidence, right as I was about to escape by shoving those scissors through my throat, a window pops up. It's an Instant Message from one of my female friends, Emily.

Emily was the type of girl who was just naturally happy and joyful, and she had the habit of doing something that pickup artists call "giving value," or just sharing the feeling of love and positivity with others. She just randomly IMed me with "I love you!" out of the blue. At the time I just thought it was a sign from God (I used to be Christian) that He wanted me to continue living, that He had some sort of plan for me, so I put the scissors down. As a Zen Buddhist and as a "pickup artist" now, I look back at that and see something else, something more. I had no faith in humanity. I didn't think anyone could genuinely care about other people. Emily, though, loved and cared about everyone in her life. She saw friends as family and strangers as friends. She would not hesitate to go out of her way for the sake of helping others. I see humanity as a whole very differently now. I know the potential for human beings to love each other, to live a life of compassion, mostly because I can now see that potential within myself. In my life's journey since that day with the scissors, I think I have become one of these kinds of people, or at least I am striving to become one. I think that's just beautiful.

I think every pickup artist MUST develop this positive habit. RSD talks about giving value. As much as I hate to quote him, Mehow talks about giving value. Mark Redman, the relatively new guru on College Game who automatically subscribes you to a "Mastermind Program" by taking money from your bank account monthly without giving enough warning ahead of time when you buy his ebook, refers to it as "giving love." Plenty of pickup companies nowadays are catching on because the habit of giving value is an extraordinarily attractive trait.

I think that the GENUINE habit of giving value is rooted in the feeling of compassion. I believe that all human beings are naturally compassionate. To have compassion for others, one must understand others. To understand others, one must understand himself. Some people have great difficulty in expressing their compassion because they allow themselves to be blinded by ego. Now, where did this ego come from?

When a man isn't self-aware, he allows his ego to creep up to compensate for the metaphorical wounds he has suffered from early on in his life. This is practically unavoidable, unless the man has had a perfect childhood. We usually call those guys "Naturals," by the way. Not to say that ALL Natural pickup artists have been raised flawlessly, of course.

The ego disallows us from accepting reality as it is, which in turn disallows us from taking the right actions toward positive change. For example, our ego tells us to stay in our comfort zone by telling us that we are "good enough," when in reality we want to IMPROVE. A man can let his ego tell him that doing cold approaches isn't his "style." A man can let his ego tell him that he doesn't need to read a book on pickup or relationships because he is above doing things like that. A man can let his ego tell him that he doesn't need to challenge himself by moving onto level 2 because he's already good at level 1. Ultimately, the ego makes us closed-minded.

A man does have the ability, however, to muster enough self-control to tame his ego. Trust me, Buddhists do it all the time. It takes humility to hold an empty cup, but it's easy to have humility when you can admit to yourself that you are currently not the best man you could possibly be, but you are striving to become your best self. As my friend RedpoleQ once said, "A man isn't what you are. A man is what you become."

Once someone lets go of ego, it becomes easy to practice non-resistance. I learned from RSD's Blueprint program that resistance is actually an emotion we feel. Once we accept reality for what it is by NOT letting ourselves feel resistance (come on, we're men so we can control our own emotions), we can allow ourselves to take the right actions to change our very reality. To me this is like an amazing 2-step program that can solve any problem. First, you accept yourself and reality. Then, you take right action to change yourself and reality.

All of this leads to a greater sense of self-awareness, which leads to a greater sense of understanding, which leads to an unlocking of your naturally compassionate nature, which leads to an unlocking of your natural habit of giving love and value, which leads to attracting more people, *cough*which leads to you getting laid*cough*. All of this makes you a better person in the end, which allows for a greater opportunity in leaving everyone you interact with better than you found them.

Imagine a world full of compassion and positive energy like that. Wow, right? And it all starts with you.
Chief Me and u sound like Brothers from another mother except I'm not a Buddhist. At least not yet... I agreed w almost everything u said here. Luckily for me idk what happened. I was always a nice person but I had some dark moments too. Eighth grade mostly got picked on EXTREMELY. Which led me to depression. I had tantrums and emotional withdrawals. Me figuring out who i really was! Me isolating myself and becoming a mean person. I started developing mood swings and became almost bipolar which has lasted to this day. and then some of Sophomore year around 2006 I believe I went through a very bad depression. I wanted to shoot up my highschool and then kill myself and there was no good reason for this I was being a true coward and couldn't control my emotions and let others get the best of me.. I got over it and came back to my original nice self. Never felt like harming anyone again but got suicidal for the second or 3rd time in my life in Feb of 2013. I planned a rough cocktail of a 3/4ths bottle of NyQuil w a fifth of Vodka (never the biggest fan of Jack) then i would jump into the only natural waterfall in Chicago while it was 10 below... Then i found my hobby. My goal, my dalling and my dream improv. Loved every min of it! Now I'm trying to find my true self and it's coming slowly but surely! I am happy and want everyone to be loved and to enjoy life endlessly & peacefully! =] AND FOR ANYONE READING THIS WHO'S DEPRESSED. (que cheesy pep talk dramatic movie music) It will get better, but before it does it will get much worst. You just have to dig deep and know you want it. Realize someone loves u in this world even if its one person (but theres probably alot morenthan that! I'll be one of em!!!) Do some soul searching and find out who you truley are!! See what make u tick and realize it wont come overnight. might take alot longer than a day. At least for some ppl like myself. It will make u a stronger person and it will help u in the long run at least that's what I believe. Life is rough but try to find a goal or a dream and stick to it. Realize u can make a change in this world and you do have a purpose. Drop anyone negative who brings u down and associate yourself w friends and family who genuinely care Abt you and your well being. If anyone here ever needs tips advice etc feel free to post or pm me! After all we're all Brothers and sisters here! and we're here to help each other out, to spread the love lolololol. and the Happyness =] (music fades out as we chant in a huddle and hold hands)
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Question: What do you mean by giving value?

That romantic musician outside the woman's window could either be confident by seeing himself as high value and make the woman's panties melt, or he could see himself as low value, generating the feeling that HE NEEDS HER to validate himself, to give him value. The latter example is one where the man is taking value just because he sees himself as lower.


So what your saying in metaphor is: IT IS better to be the confident romantic musician outside the woman's window who perceives himself as high value, gives value, (and make the woman's panties melt....) Than to be the musician who sees himself as low value, generating the feeling that HE NEEDS HER to validate himself, to give him value?

What does the latter example mean?


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