Daniel's comments may be rough but he does have a good point. I also see where you are coming from as well Rugby. It's hard to let go of something good. It's hard enough trying to change yourself. With that in mind I never try and change others. Sometimes you can sway them, but most of the times the revert back to their original self.

I'm in a similar situation. FWB of mine back in my hometown a few states away. We met back in March, I took leave for a month and we chilled the majority of that time. She was in a longdistance relationshit after her BF moved to FL for whatever reason it was.

I attempted to kiss-close her on night on my last night in town. She had the hots for me bad, I could tell. We were holding hands, walking down this abandoned over-grown road surrounded by trees making it look like a tunnel. I pulled her to me and went for it she stopped 80% there shocked and asked what I was doing. "nothing I guess" she said she wanted to but she won't cheat in a relationship. I respected that.

Went back to her place to chill and smoke hookah. She said she was really fucking horny and thought I was "So fucking sexy" ended up kissing her on the cheek before ieft.

The last week of June I went back to town to help two of my best friends propose. We are all skydivers and I helped in the plane being the ring bearer.

I let her know I was headed back to town a week before I headed that way. She said she had taken care of that situation. Game on!

We went to a hookah bar and chilled. I didn't need to run anygame. I knew I had her.

Went back to her place and watched Archer. All kinoed up on the love seat, caressing her ass and thigh, her laptop started to fuck up. she couldn't fix it. she sat back against me and I looked into her eyes and went for it.

5min later I pull away.

Let's go to your room. Okay.

Idk what it was with her, but I went 5hrs that night w her, not even kidding. BEST sex I've ever had. She was so passionate. We took it all over the house. It was a mess, the good kind. She called me a sexgod, superman yada yada.

It was like that everynight for the week I was there.

We've been talk ever since. starting to crush on her.

She keeps saying we are just having fun, and we talked about seeing other ppl. after I got back I discovered pick up and have hooked up w two other women. felt bad the whole time about it. But she seemed cool with it. I'm guilty of it too Rugby.

I am taking her to the beach end of this month. If it all goes smoothly I'm asking her to move in with me here in my state. If not, cool. I'll seriously take my game to a new level with help from this site and other material.

I do hope it all works out though, but like you I shut down my emotions and see situations for what they are and what I want out of them.

I'd like Daniel's Imput on this. I'm open to constructive criticism. You have to have ppl call you out sometimes to see how it really is. I appreciate that kind of honestly.

Thanks Retro. Criticizing is one thing, but he (Daniels) had no intention of helping me out. He just wanted to troll.

This is getting too fucked up for me by the way. I told her that we're broken up twice when she tries to get back to me. The third time I was just weak. I couldn't say no again. It was obvious she wants me.

I'm gonna tell her that I'm not sure whether I'll be able to be faithful to her. I feel like a douche. The funny thing is I think I love her, I'm not shitting. We've been together for 4 months. I don't want to cheat. I'm just fucked up. It's only about the sex, you know? Even though I'm a virgin I was barely able to turn down the two times I could have had sex (the threesome only counting as one, lol).

So yeah, I'm gonna straight out tell her. If she can't live with that then she can finally realize that she needs to break up with me. I told her she should. I just don't know what to do anymore. Every time I try to distance myself she comes back. I just couldn't do it the 3rd time.

Maheem said that he'd rather fuck 1 girl 400 times than 400 girls one time. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I think I just have to be honest with her. That always seems like the best thing to do.

And thanks Retro. I appreciate your input. At least your girl was okay with what you did.

EDIT: This is supposed to be about me working on my game. Instead its me being drawn back to this relationship. I hope that this post can help anyone who is in a similar situation that I am.

I'm still going gaming tomorrow. I'm going to be honest with her. Who knows, she may be okay with this. I doubt it but it's a possibility.

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I know you don't want to hear this, but she could be seeing other guys for all you know. You're not in an exclusive relationship with her (yet) right? She basically TOLD you to hook up with other women, and not rush things with her - this probably means that you're moving too fast for her liking, and shes trying to slow you down; women help you when they like you. She doesn't want you to chase her away, because she likes you. You did nothing wrong by hooking up with other girls, it's a good thing, until she brings up the topic of being exclusive. Women like you a lot more when you've got options, just don't be a dick about it. She sounds like a cool girl, actually.
This might scare her off, seems a little soon? Remember what I said above. Just hang out with her and have fun, see where things go. Don't rush things. She's telling you the same thing.

You've done nothing wrong by hooking up with other women, unless you 2 are exclusive, and have agreed on this. But slow things down with asking her to move in etc - don't go chasing her and trying to lock her down to commitments.

Just my opinion lets not hijack the thread lol.

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That is wrong.

Firstly, I wanted to trim your ego down a little, because I think its a front.

Secondly, I wanted to try and help you see that you're being a dick to this girl.

You said that you care about her, but I don't think you care as much as you think you do - why would you demote her to a meaningless fuck buddy if you gave a shit about her? If you do care, it's because you respect her, but that'll soon change if she lets you manipulate her into having pointless sex with you time and time again. I'm not going to sit here and word things in a nice way to avoid the risk of offending you, I'm just going to say what I see and let you read it in whatever tone you want. I think, deep down, that you know there's a lot of valid points in what I'm saying. Think of a female relative (maybe your sister, mother, whoever) ...would you want a guy to treat her how you're treating this girl? Can you genuinely say that you'd be fine with it? What would you tell a female friend to do, if she was in the position that you've put this girl in?

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Yeah, well I ain't close to my mom or sister so I wouldn't know.

After the conversation that she and I had, it seems pretty clear that she wants to stick with me. Quite frankly (and I believe I stated this earlier) I'm fine with her seeing other guys. You see, Daniels, in my view its just sex. It's the other women who'd be meaningless, not her. Hopefully you understand what I'm saying now.

Do you understand the full situation? In a nutshell (in case I didn't state it clearly) I broke up with her... she gets back to me and states how she sees a future in me, we have another long ass conversation about the future, I still maintain that we should stay seperated. The third time I just couldn't say no again. I'm going to be honest with her when I can meet her face to face next week.

Hopefully this clears things up.

And I don't have a large ego. Guess what, I'm remarkably intelligent. Get over it Daniels. It was the one undebated thing throughout my life.

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J.Daniels,

You might have a good point but try to be a little nicer.

Rugby7,

A few points:

1. Even if criticism here doesn't look constructive, try not to let it get to you so much. Try to look past your initial emotional reaction.

2. It seems to me that breaking things off with her completely is an option you should seriously consider. However, experiencing an open relationship will also have long-term benefits for the both of you in terms of self-discovery and whatnot.

3. You remind me a lot of myself back in the day, and I'll tell you right now that your progress in pickup will be slow as balls if you don't learn to drop the ego quickly. Don't take yourself too seriously and carry an empty cup. Trust me, I know. I started learning this stuff in 2003 and it took FOREVER for me to get any good. It's because I had my head up my ass most of the time.

4. I like how you seem to consider every factor, including your own moral integrity. Don't lose that. Just add some more compassion up in there and you're good.

5. My ebook isn't for sale to the general public YET simply because the sales page isn't ready yet. However, if you'd like it earlier than everyone else, send me a PM.

Thanks Chief. If you look at the earlier posts of Daniels and Read them thoroughly, basically calling me a piece of shit and given that his first 2 posts did not have any advice (his later ones did, and he did tone down the name calling, I'll give him that) you can see where I was coming from.

Anyway, more Importantly, First Field Report!

So I wasn't able to go gaming with my rugby mate because I was so busy today getting prepped for college, but this didn't stop me from working on my day game.

Girl 1:

Girl one was married. I had no intention of doing anything with her (it seems that a lot of you guys just practice on girls in relationships to work on your game, you don't plan on pursing them) so I thought what's the harm. We were both waiting for a doctor's appointment and were kept waiting. The office was really messy. I opened by picking up a thing of pills (all were identical) and asking "I wonder what these are for?". She laughed and said she didn't know. I said "Well, lets find out". I googled the box of pills. I found that It was to lower uric acid (it was for gout). I told her and grabbed my crotch and said, "Nope, don't need these. Everything working fine down there". She laughed again.

I then commented on how it was always awkward when you drop your pants in the doctor's office. She said "I know." I then said "Each time I'm worried I'll embarrass the doctor." She laughed again. She was then called into the office.

That wasn't as nearly as difficult as I thought it would be. My day game is better than I thought.

Girl 2:

I flirted with Girl 2 in a mall. She was in one of those checkout areas inside the department store. I was buying underwear. I approached her and asked her which do women prefer, underwear or boxer briefs? She said "What about boxers?". I said that I wasn't trying to hide anything. She laughed. She saw that I already had underwear picked out. She said "I think these are fine for you, most of the fit guys either go with underwear or boxer-briefs". I responded, "Oh, so I'm fit now?" She laughed and started twirling her hair and said yes. She saw the waist size and said "You're a 32?" She seemed impressed. I told her that I was fit because I played rugby. My team made it to the semi finals in the region that we compete in. I then said "If you're lucky, maybe later you can see me in them," as I gestured to the underwear. She laughed again and started touching her hair a lot.

Probably could have N-closed but it didn't seem right with how things were with my girlfriend.

So yeah, I was pretty proud of myself today. Honestly, I thought I would have been slapped in the face for the underwear thing. I wasn't. Talking to women is way less rigid than I thought it would be.

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Having read back through my comments, I was being a bit of a dick. The advice was there, though. But still, I was being a little over-judgmental.

Anyway, that underwear story... thats quite impressive. I wouldn't have had the balls to drop that "if you're lucky" line on her that early (though I do start a lot of lines with "if you're lucky")

Well done.

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All right Daniels. I'm sorry if I jumped to conclusions too quickly. I was in a bad place.

Yeah, and I didn't think I had the balls to do it either. I talked to a few of the guys on the AJAX chat that really helped. The key isn't just confidence, it's to relax. If you are relaxed, you'll appear confident without looking like one of those cocky A-holes (you know what I'm talking about, right? Those D-bags in life and in the bar that just come off as not giving a shit in the world about anyone else?).

Also, I noticed that the "Let her do most of the talking" is somewhat true, but not completely. Always keep the girl talking, but don't be afraid to talk about yourself or throw in a few funny stories.

I will maintain that my night game is probably gonna be crap. With the B-shield and it being harder to approach women, I'll probably fail (my openings are weak, but once I get to the actual conversation and flirting I do well). Now I just gotta work on my day 2's if day game is my strength.

So Daniels, I'm sorry for the way I reacted. Understand that my GF and I are very close. She isn't a "fuck buddy". She is the one person who has meaning in my life. If I could be satisfied by just sticking with her, I honestly wood. I don't know why I feel so strongly about seeing other women, I just do. If I could change it I would. I feel terrible about it.

At the same time, given that we're going to be across the country. College is a time to explore yourself, you know?

Thanks to all of those that have helped me. I'm excited for my next field report.

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Record: 131
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Sorry guys. I'm getting ready to go to college so it's gonna be kind of a slow week.

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Good news guys. I have another Field report (although its only one girl).

I was in a sporting goods store to get myself some rugby socks (unfortunately they only had football and soccer) along with some other essentials for college.

When I went to check out, there was only one clerk at the store. She was cute (you know, one of those cute girls with a dark complexion). She was on her knees adjusting one of the things that holds candy bars. It took her about a minute or two to notice that I was standing there. When she saw me she apologized and took me to the register. I noticed that the socks had those tags on them where the store alarm would go off. I opened with "Yeah, because if there's one thing that I think about stealing, it's socks." She didn't laugh. I thought to myself 'Oh crap that was totally beta, why was this so easier the other day?' but I just waited and stayed relaxed. She then said "Yeah, anything that is tagged has been stolen before". There was another short pause before she said "I guess people would rather spend $18 dollars on something else." It was apparent to me that she was the one who was freaking out. I just hoped that my dad (yes, my dad was there) wouldn't say anything so that my social value would be increased". She then said "Like food or something." I had no idea how to bail her out of that one. She exclaimed "Like a Buffet." Once again cute brown girl, have know idea where you're going with this. Then there was a long awkward pause. Then she proceeded to say "What am I talking about, a buffet for $18 would be crap". I replied "Yeah, I was about to say." and she laughed. I told her about this crappy buffet that I went to for $13 and how bad the sushi was. She said that the Rio in Vegas has a great buffet for $50. I know that I could have N-closed if I wanted to. The issue is that my dad was there and I couldn't be obvious with flirting.

So how would I N-close in a situation like this? All she talked about were socks and buffets.

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In that situation I would have leaned in and motioned for her to lean in, too, and I'd lower my voice and say something like, "It's kind of embarrassing but my dad's here with me over there, and I don't want to give him a chance to make fun of me or anything, but you're cute and I'd really like to get your number," while maintaining eye contact and discreetly sliding her my phone or a piece of paper.

If only I had known what I know now when I was younger and my dad kept trying to cockblock me.

There was a time when I was making flirty eye contact with a hot cashier girl and my dad was just all like, "He's a playboy" like some kinda prideful warning. Fuckin weird, man. Poor girl looked so disappointed and didn't make any eye contact with me after that. Wtf dad.

Hey Rugby7,

Thanks for sharing your stories. I am also new to this forum and PUA.
I am a few years older than you but still in college (Wish I knew about all these stuffs when I was your age).
So good that you are starting so early.
I saw from your first post that you are pretty adamant about not drinking alcohol in college.
My one advice would be to keep an open-mind to everything, even alcohol. I was also very adamant about not drinking alcohol during my first few years... and I learned my lesson.

Thanks funandgame, I respect that you drink but I'm just not going to. There are good reasons why (you can PM me if you want to know).

Anyway, Sorry I've been gone so long, but guess what I've got?

Field Report!!!:

So... sarging has been going well for me in college. I've got about 4 numbers (Excluding the fake obviously, it took a hit to my ego but I just started flirting with other chicks and regained most of my self-esteem) and have about 5 day 2's lined up with chicks in my dorm if all else fails, lol.

I'm proud of myself. What's funny is that my RA, my roommate, and two of the guys think I'm a full blown PUA, I had to explain that I still fail sometimes, and have some crappy openings and just fail when it comes time to N close, but I am getting way better. Compared to a year ago, I've got game, but I've still got a ways to go (like I can't sarge solo, I just have trouble with it).

Room 1:

The first thing that I did is that I walked around my dorm sarging with all of the chicks that had their doors open (it was move in day). My wingman (I'll just call him M) is kinda socially inept, not the best guy to go sarging with but he was my only option (and I actually helped him N-close a girl, lol). The first room that I came across had 3 girls in it (2 that were residing there and the other one was a neighbor). Unfortunately I can't remember the exact conversation here but basically I talked to the girls. I got them to talk and ask me questions by asking things like "What are you majoring in?" "Do you play any sports?" and "What EC's do you do?". By asking things like these I could steer the conversation in the direction I wanted it to with out making it seem like I was trying to dominate it. The key seems to always let them talk. Do not interrupt no matter what. They can't talk all day (well, on second thought...). So, the roommate turned out to be in charge of some of the incoming freshman (We have people in the dorms that have less responsibilities than the RA's called PA's). She said that any time that I needed help I could knock on her door, so me being me I knocked on her door. She said "Why did you do that? My roommate is in there." Sure enough her roommate opened the door. I simply joked about what happened. She joined the conversation a bit and was enjoying my company but she needed to unpack so she closed the door. When she did I turned to the PA and said "That's all your fault." She laughed.

And it seems that I have been summoned to a girl's dorm in the middle of writing this so now I must go.

PUA KICKS ASS!

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My Workout (Read this): http://bit.ly/1zIQncY

Record: 131
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You're doing great, but you're in danger of getting a reputation. Don't be that guy who gets insane pussy for 6 months before every girl realises and puts her guard up

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