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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:44 am 
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I can hold and carry a conversation pretty easily and i can also open well but im having trouble getting the girl interested and talking. Its like im over investing and if i stop i know she will leave (previous experiences). How do i get past this? Sometimes it doesnt happen but that only happens when i have an amazing opener. I still need to open even if i dont have a good opener and i cant just rely on the opener to decide the outcome of the interaction.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:11 am 
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I only do daygame if that makes a difference


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:15 am 
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So... you're having a hard time holding a conversation?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:24 am 
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sure i guess
so any advice?
i mean i can continue talking forever but it seems like they dont want to talk... like they wanna leave.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:26 pm 
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The opener is just that- opening. The only thing it's meant to do is get her attention. Use a time constraint ex. " I only have a minute but.." then continue onto your next piece. Use some body rocking so it seems like she might lose you at any second then try to bounce her somewhere else (since you're doing mostly day game).

The more experienced you get with the attraction phase, the easier it will get and the more success you'll get in turn. Don't worry about mistakes just keep in mind that it takes a long time to truly get good at this. Good luck!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:37 pm 
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Of course they wanna leave. It's weird to walk up to strangers and expect to have the conversation of your life with them. The problem here is that you expect something from them - you expect them to invest back. But that won't happen unless you can give them a reason to do so, and you can't give them a "reason" by doing a monologue, hoping they will find your stories interesting enough... UNLESS you have rehearsed a great act of course, like a stand up comedian or something, which would take you back to Mystery Method.

The way to go is to "feel" the situation. If a girl is busy, in a hurry going somewhere, it's probably a bad idea to walk up to her. The difference between daygame and nightgame is that people are busy during daytime, probably working or running errands. And there you come interrupting them, trying to make them fall in love with you. You see the problem here? If you want to interrupt someone, you need to give that person a very good reason to do so, and you need to be very quick about it. That is why you need to be very direct and honest during daygame. Say something like "wow, I've not seen such a cute girl in a long time" (that's the reason why you stop her), and confirm her feelings by saying "I know this seems weird", which will make her more comfortable because you show that you understand her situation. Continue with something like "...but I can't miss this chance. What do you say about having a cup of coffee with me? You can almost consider it a blind date.". And that's it. Quick and effective.

I would recommend venues where people are more relaxed, maybe in the evening or during their holiday, and the beach or in a park. Or in a library where they are sitting down, not running anywhere.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:35 pm 
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Of course they wanna leave. It's weird to walk up to strangers and expect to have the conversation of your life with them. The problem here is that you expect something from them - you expect them to invest back. But that won't happen unless you can give them a reason to do so, and you can't give them a "reason" by doing a monologue, hoping they will find your stories interesting enough... UNLESS you have rehearsed a great act of course, like a stand up comedian or something, which would take you back to Mystery Method.

The way to go is to "feel" the situation. If a girl is busy, in a hurry going somewhere, it's probably a bad idea to walk up to her. The difference between daygame and nightgame is that people are busy during daytime, probably working or running errands. And there you come interrupting them, trying to make them fall in love with you. You see the problem here? If you want to interrupt someone, you need to give that person a very good reason to do so, and you need to be very quick about it. That is why you need to be very direct and honest during daygame. Say something like "wow, I've not seen such a cute girl in a long time" (that's the reason why you stop her), and confirm her feelings by saying "I know this seems weird", which will make her more comfortable because you show that you understand her situation. Continue with something like "...but I can't miss this chance. What do you say about having a cup of coffee with me? You can almost consider it a blind date.". And that's it. Quick and effective.

I would recommend venues where people are more relaxed, maybe in the evening or during their holiday, and the beach or in a park. Or in a library where they are sitting down, not running anywhere.
I have tried the method u gave me and it results in a shit load of flakes so i stopped using it. I remember i used to be decent at creating attraction which i did by teasing but then i turned it down a notch because there was no comfort. Now im stuck trying to build comfort from the start and the teasing seems structured and i want to go completely natural.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:45 pm 
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Rather than feeling like you have to perform, have it be a back and forth with the girl. Ask her a question or two.

The girl is bored, doing an errand during the day or just wasting time; she is looking ahead to yet another night of Netflix. You are not annoying her in the least - you are bringing excitement into her life.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:20 am 
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Kino is a great gap filler for conversations. It also makes them more comfortable around you which loosens up the conversation making it easier to talk about everything and anything.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:02 am 
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Rather than feeling like you have to perform, have it be a back and forth with the girl. Ask her a question or two.

The girl is bored, doing an errand during the day or just wasting time; she is looking ahead to yet another night of Netflix. You are not annoying her in the least - you are bringing excitement into her life.
I do ask questions (open ended ones) and i always get one word answers. Btw im not quitting on pickup if thats what you guys think; i just need to figure out this problem.


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