There are times that you have a limited amount of time for gaming a hard target properly and you just let her go. The past month, it occurred to me several times so I came up with a magic formula to, at least, number-close my targets in no time.

Steps 1 - Direct approach:

You approach her slightly from the side and you say a (short) "HEY!" in a loud and kinda assertive way. She will definitely react and turn her head towards you, and in order to make her turn her body as well, you gotta stand like an alpha (not to close to her) and keep eye contact the whole fucking time (that's a must in direct approaches). DONT SMILE TOO MUCH!!!

Step 2 - Routine:

The routine doesn't really matter in this kind of approach because you rely more on your alpha attitude. You can either go with the U-shaped smile routine but I'd rather use my own smile routine* which allows you to neg her in case she doesn't respond that well. The point is that you MUST NOT be chatty and DONT be cocky (you don't have the time for this shit, it will destroy your alpha image). Be LACONIC, i.e. use short sentences and take pauses to let her feel your alpha vibe and that you are not afraid of a rejection! Now, any smile routine should make her smile and then you tell her that you think she looks better when she smiles and that she should keep her smile on. (yes, my PUAs, when you feel alpha, you have the power of giving small and elegant compliments).

Step 3 - IOI

They always ask me a small question of the form: What's your name? , Where are you from?, etc That's all you need to move on to the next step. (Don't be tempted to open another thread after the IOI)

Step 4 - Get her number

NEVER DROP YOUR EYE CONTACT and say

YOU: Listen, I wanna see you again!! (pause for a sec) What are you doing tomorrow? Actually I'm busy tomorrow, what are you doing on (some day)?
HB: Emm, I don't know (most common answer)
YOU: Gimme your number!!! I wanna take you out!!**
HB: xxx-xxx-xxxx
YOU: Ok Candice, I'll call you.... BIG TIME!!!

(Note: don't ask for the number, DEMAND IT!!!)


* The Celebrity Smile Routine:

PUA: You have the smile of a celebrity...
(if she gives you a big smile you are done and you proceed as before, otherwise you neg her)

PUA: ...IT'S FULL OF CONFIDENCE!!! but a lil bit fake...

** My Memory Routine:

PUA: Let me test my memory; tell me your 10-digit phone number and if I memorize it correctly you get a DATE!!
(You will screw up, she will laugh; so you stick out your cell phone and you get her number)

Just horrible! horrible...

numbers do not mean shit! and if you have to do all this shit to get a number is not a solid interaction to begin with an the girl is most likely to flake.

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Somebody's been watching Cajun...

Terrible advice. This is like game used to be 10 years ago.

There is no point getting a phone number until you've built up an emotional connection with the girl and she has invested in you emotionally. 1x invested girl is worth more than 100x phone numbers.

You got a phone number... so what?

Want a cookie?

1. If you have ONLY two minutes and you choose not approach because that's "against the rules" or you don't like cookies then IMO that's too conservative.

2. The goal of the approach is to create yourself the chance to meet her again and game her properly. Worked for me; 2 out of 3!

3. Cajun??? sorry bro I don't even know this guy.

Damn near everything from the original post is either exactly like or a reworded version of what Cajun did on his episode of keys to the v.i.p.
Specifically the "I'll call you...BIG TIME"

Look it up on YouTube, Cajun keys to the v.I.p.

Not to mention, you had no chance to build any sort of attraction or influence on the girl. The "two minute number close" is just something wannabe PUAs do to market themselves. Unless the girl finds you very attractive, she's never going to answer the phone.

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Well, I have nothing to market here, I'm just a guy who's been going out a lot, tried lots of different approaches and recently I started posting some of my techniques which are field-tested. I guess that this is what this forum is all about. Whether you like them or not, personally I don't care (in fact I'm not even sure if somebody can judge without even giving them a shot). What I was waiting for a response was basically your theories and methods on approaching under time constraints. None of you has given me any and this discussion has not been constructive at all.

If you don't like my method, no worries bros but tell me what you prefer instead!

P.S. Man, 2 mins are enough to build attraction; the 10s meet a bunch of phonies every night and they are way better in identifying genuine players than any 8 or even a 9! Thus, if you make a very good first-impression they will give you the fucking opportunity to meet again, in which case you get to focus on building comfort and etc. it also occurred to me, once, to get the number and continue with regular game for another 5 mins - win her friends, it helps a lot!!!

Your method is great.... if your goal is to just collect phone numbers.

If your goal is sex, you're better off building more of a connection with the girl. One key part of game is killing off time-wasting leads. Unless you are super-handsome model or a celebrity, your method will lead to a LOT of flakes for the vast majority of guys. And wasting time on flakes destroys your momentum and it will crush your confidence very quickly if you are a noob.

The time constraint thing, I just don't see a situation cropping up where you would 'only have 2mins' to chat up a girl. Sure, you might need to catch a train, but it's not gonna happen every day. You need to work on better schedule planning and getting on top of your shit if you're constantly in that much of a rush 24/7.

Rushing game is never good. The girl feels your desperation. Your urgency to get the number makes you speak too fast, which is unattractive.

Your method is just bad, bro. Number does not equal sex.

OP, your original post and explanations are totally bad advice.

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^ Hunter fox and everybody else pretty much nailed it on why it does not work well... Second, most people when they started in the path, we went through the collecting number stage of seduction(i know i did, and by the way got laid with it, but is so un efficient that is not worth it). That is why we are saying is bad advice, and by bad advice means low probability of success, does not necessarily mean it does not work... Many of us define success as getting getting laid or harem, fb, gf etc... But mainly having sex since is the major form of women investment... A number is .0000000001 investment.

Some women give you the phone number just to be nice, is easier for them to give you a number(fake or not), than to reject somebody.

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Lately I've been trying to gain more control of "unideal" situations. Like opening a big seated group with the ten surrounded by an AMOG and his AFCs or some other AFB(itch)s (these girls are more than obstacles). There are so many parameters that you need to take into account and with lots of practice I believe you can turn it into a plausible scenario but first you gotta get some control of all these parameters.

A month ago I opened a seated 20-set (all girls) and although I approached and won the right couch, there was an AFB on the left couch who kept shouting (hysterically) - she was calling the security - so I tried to calm her down (she was telling me to get the fuck out of there and I was telling her that I love her) and basically she forced me to leave! And I hadn't even approached the ten yet!

This kind of shit occurred to me so many times with the big sets. With the standing ones I have more control but when you hang out at bars, usually the tens are found in seated sets. One way of approaching the tens is to wait for them to wander around the bar for a few minutes (e.g. go to the bathroom), before their AFB friends dragged them back to their table. And even in those cases it might be more wise to open her friends just to avoid any cockblocking. Another case is to wait for the set to leave the bar, in which case you have a walking target which makes it even harder.

At this point of my game, I view all the above as scenarios with time constraints. I've tried different methods and techniques and the best method that gave me the opportunity to encounter my targets again (2 out of 3) is the one mentioned in my original post.

This method is clearly in contrast with the rest of my game which is applicable to more ideal cases. Hopefully, I've become clear in what I mean by a time constrained approach and if you guys know any ways which will HOOK you in such sets let me know. (Hence, I've posting in the PUA lounge section and not in the routines section.)

P.S. I will not comment on the "number does not equal sex" because I never argued the opposite! (When I moved to London it took me about three months to realize this and by that time, the acronym PUA would probably remind me of some sandwich.)

Since no one else gave any alternatives I'll interject. In a very short time frame it's all about risk vs. reward. The style that the OP posted is basically classic MM. In my experience most people on this forum blindly hate MM because they have heard other people hate it. What the issue really is here is where your placing the risk. With a very low risk opener like this your mitigating the initial risk of rejection and moving on to the next stage. Basically lower chance of initial rejection, higher chance later.

Now we could contrast that with something else that works for very quick interactions, say the apocolypse opener. With an EXTREMELY direct opening like that your risking a much high chance at rejection early, but a generally lower chance of rejection later.

99% of guys here will recommend that you go direct, that's due to a few things. First guys who are very good have had enough rejection that it no longer bothers them, thus making a rejection quicker in their process more time efficient with little to no ill effect. The other reasons all based off of that, because often more experience guys would advocate that everyone else will as well because they want to appear to be at that point, so just generally parrot out what they have heard.

What you choose in my opinion should be based on where you are as a man. If your reasonably new go with something more structured and indirect, your odds of getting small successes is higher, and building on more small successes is how you build confidence. Also less up front rejections means less chance to become discouraged and give up, all the theory in the world does no good if a guy gives up.

I say your post is fine. Get used to approaching and getting numbers, build your confidence more and more. The only thing I caution is don't make getting a number a crutch, if you have longer take them on an instadate, if this is night game and you have longer escalate.

Bad advice is bad advice, is not about hating mm or anything like that... There is no small success of getting a number that is fake or will not respond or flake = that is not small success that is pretend success... The goal is to put pipi in vagina last time i checked.

P.s. The op in step 1 recommended going direct..

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