i dont see my self as low value. i have a lot of things going for me. im always the center of my world and always make things better then what they are. in a room of complete strangers ill converse with everyone of them even if they have different views. i respect everyone even if i have a negative view on their life.

with that said, i dont think i have a low social value. i think i have a high social value and everyone just wants to ride along. be it hot fat skinny or ugly. be it gay men, gay women, straight men, or straight women, a 62 yo man on the train i just met on the train or a group of steroid obsessed 25 yo olds. you catch my drift.

i can have the hottest girl in the club look at me, but so is every other girl. i dont approach these women, they approach me. when i set the frame of just friends they continue to try and thats what i have problems with. its not so much as them trying, its more they want to see why i have such great value and are trying to feed off my vibe.

ofcourse i dont let them.. i just continue doing ME. ive just noticed it more and more over the years. and thats why im here to try and get some advice from my fellow PUA's.

im starting to realize that i need to change the environments that i put myself in. maybe just maybe i can see changes. if not, then its just going to be another struggle that im going to have to deal with. blah blah blah.

anyway i think i got some nice information here, some really good advice that i will take in hand and some ill probably just ignore. thanks guys

i would also like to point out that this is not a problem i have with online dating, ive tried online dating before in the past and personally its just not for me. i like face to face interaction. you can never know what a persons intentions are, whether or not they are genuine or complete lairs. ontop of that you can never fully experess yourself over text.

thats as far as its going to get .. sadly lol

The explanation regarding low perceived value seems the only intepretation. I can't imagine this problem. I'm new to game, and still even talking to HBs it takes a lot of work before it soaks in that I'm even talking to them. I suffer the very opposite problem.

Or you flirt out of politeness. This is how AFCs get confused too.

Why don't you just tell them you're not interested in a strong, manly way?

If a woman isn't interested in someone, is she going to let them grab her tits and do all this shit? They can only feel you up and do all this if you let them

Hi! It happens a lot. Women, and people in general, want what is difficult to get. If you pay them too much attention, you lose value to their eyes