i met two german girls (HB blonde and HB brunette) in the smoking area in a club last night. they are flying back to germany today. HB brunette seemed to be quite into me. i put my arms around her waist for almost half an hour. she was very responsive to my kino. however, she used going to the bathroom as an excuse to finish the conversation.

i was cool about it, i decided to meet more girls inside the club. i opened 3 HBs at the dancefloor. they told me they were actually friends of HB brunette and HB blonde. so they were like a group of 5 to 6 german girls. HB brunette saw me talking with her friends and she was very happy about it. we dirty danced (i put my right leg between her legs so i could stimulate her groin, but i think she took the initiative). i tried to kiss her for 3 times but every time it landed on her cheek. and she walked away from me from time to time.

i went to the smoking area and i saw HBhippie whom i have spoken with before i met the german girls. i hug her tightly from her back for around 20 minutes. she really liked my hug she didn't resist at all. i decided to go for a kiss but it was a peck on her lips. she didn't seem to be interested in making out and she left the smoking area.

i actually didn't realize HB brunette and HB blonde were in the smoking area. it seemed to me they didn't saw me stealing a kiss from HB hippie (actually i was unsure). they were talking to another guy. i joined the conversation and put my arms around the girls' waist. HB blonde was receptive to my kino this time. HB brunette moved away a lil bit.

i thought i might have given to much attention to HB brunette. and i actually did spend quite a long while with the german group anyways. it was time for me to interact with other people.

after a short period of time. HB blonde found herself a tall good looking guy. they made out after a little bit of dirty dancing and push pull. HB brunette was dirty dancing with another guy. they made out as well. i was gutted because i've built rapport with HB brunette. she was my target in the whole german group.

around 2 a.m., i notice the german group was about to leave. i spoke with HB brunette again. she said she had to fly back to germany at 5 today. i stole a kiss and she didn't like it. the two guys who made out with the german girls stayed in the club. they didn't have any luck either.

here come's the questions. is it appropiated to freeze out or use false takeaway in a dancefloor interaction? or is it more important to be persistent if i want to get laid?

should i go for a girl who made out with another guy? or maybe it doesn't really matter cause it is a one night stand anyways. i remember i've read a thread written by sharpening claws in the lay reports section. he was in a similar situation and he managed to full close the girl. it's the only reason why i still try to kiss HB brunette before she left

i know the best come back would be making out with a girl in front of HB brunette. but sometimes you just couldn't find a girl to make out at the right spot and at the right time.

those two guys (they don't know each other) have only met the girls 1 to 2 hours before the girls left. i have spent 4 hours interacting with the german girls. it means i have to do twice the amount of push-pull throughout the night.

should i go for a kiss when i see a chance? or should i hold back (pretend to kiss the girl) for few times before i actually go for it?

should i step in if my target is flirting/dancing with another guy? i don't think i have the right. but i want to make sure i am the one who hook up with the girl at the end.

It doesn't matter who she makes out with, only who she leaves with.

Kiss her when she wants to be kissed.

thanks man. much appreciated for your reply.

Most of pua is learning to look at things as simply as they are.

i think i over-analyse things a little bit sometimes. every time i blow a set i have to sit down and think what actually went wrong. i am not sure whether it is a good thing or not.

That's exactly what you are supposed to do, be remember to leave the analysis til after the interaction, not before or during.

thats the best way to get better. think about the mistakes you did and correct them next time.

questioning yourself is a sign that you want to improve. its a good thing

i usually do an analysis after each unsuccessful interaction. i do intense day game plus night game from time to time. sometimes negative responses from the previous interaction still haunt me in the next interaction. but i've learnt to become mentally strong. I've learnt to take break, so I can recharge myself with positive emotional energy prior to a new interaction

yea sometimes even after i've corrected my mistakes i still don't get solid results. i've watched a video of tyler recently. i know i have to small chunk my way to success.

I said something about this on another post, but there is really no good reason to talk/interact with the same girl/group for 4hrs unless you came with them. Otherwise, if you're just trying for a one nighter, it's gonna drastically reduce your chances. Leaving and coming back to them was a good idea though, but don't try to close too damn early or you're shot. Early as in, she's nowhere near ready to leave yet, unless you're good enough to pull her in a restroom, corner, or outside the building somewhere.
And as far as who she's made out with throughout the night; doesn't matter. If she's going to leave with a guy, it will always be the last guy she interacts with. First and last, or in between and last can be the same person.
Losing a girl you've already made out with is usually because you either tried for the close too early, or waited too long to pull