I haven't read all of this thread, but Majik posted a link in another thread to art of manliness (dot com).

I read there that A THIRD of guys aged 22-34 still live with their parents. A THIRD. And this is not 18-21, this is full grown fucking adult.

I moved out of home shortly after my 19th birthday I believe. I moved out of a large comfortable house into a small room sharing with a bunch of other people, because that's what you did. You escaped your parents as early as possible. What else would you do?

I had no idea we were at this level of crisis. I understand this is in the US, but no matter where it's happening, it's alarming.

Guys just sit around and mommy does everything for them...

ill be 21 Saturday, and im tyring to move out but to me school is more important, and im paying for that by myself

I've known a couple of guys like this and it seems to me like a symbiotic relationship where selfishness is the common theme: the guy being too selfish to make himself useful to others, the Mum being too selfish to accept that she can no longer look to her son for company

Honestly man, (And I feel like alot of young guys need to read this)

Put yourself in a sink or swim life situation. A situation where you CAN'T be lazy. I'm talking about serious shit too...

I'm talking about where you've got a week to come up with rent money or you're going to be homeless. Or where you're starving and you need to put food in your cabinets. Get rid of ALL security... You'll either fall flat on your ass or you'll figure it out. And even if you do fall on your ass... You'll figure out how to get back up.

That's the best part about being a man. We know how to solve problems and are warriors when we need to be.

I've been homeless before dude. Every single day, when I wake up... I think about what it was like waking up on the train I was sleeping on. I know how hard I have to work to never go back to doing that. Granted, I've always been a hard worker and had alot of ambition but the thought of being on that train again.... man... That's what keeps me working as much as I do, day in and day out. That's the "fire under my ass."

Maybe you need that too man... maybe being homeless and having to figure out how you're going to pay for your next meal will help you develop that hustler work ethic.

And I'll tell you this... Developing that "hustler" work ethic will help you become more of that "don't give a fuck player."

6 years ago... I was coming out of a divorce. I was alone and depressed. I was in a situation where I needed to make something happen. So I started going out and talking to girls and really hitting the shit hard.

I've got a girlfriend now and pretty much for the last 3 years of my life, I've had a girl in my bed atleast 4 nights out of the week. I could stop going out and making shit happen... but same as being homeless... I don't want my life to be the way it was before. I think about being sad and lonely every time I tell myself "nah, I don't want to go talk to girls... I'll just stay home and jerk off." and that's what adds fuel to my fire.

I made a choice that I wanted to have a kick ass lifestyle and now that I've seen what putting in the hard work gets me... I don't want to go back.

Hopefully this helps you out. All it takes is making the decision to not let your life suck anymore and do something about it.... But your life has to really suck in the first place before you reach that point.

I have a bit of a problem though. Every place that is hiring is at least 3 miles away and I don't have a car. I can take the bus around but the transit here is unreliable. The buses are usually ridiculously late. I want to move out but I refuse to put myself into debt. I do have a different fire under my ass though.

One of the reasons I fucked so many women in my life is because I always since the age of 17 lived by myself.

Do you have a really good table at home? Perhaps a nice glass one?

This is probably the worst advice I've ever heard. People in college, wait to graduate, get a job, and then leave. If you're not planning to go to college join the force or get a trade, then get a job, save up, then leave. You can't even get an apartment nine times out of time without a deposit. This has to be some of the worst and most financially destructive advice I've ever heard.

Just because you're in pick up doesn't mean that real world problems don't apply to you. Learn how to get a job and get a cheap hotel/motel. There are plenty of hotels that give rooms for 30$ for 4 hours. That's all you'll need.