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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:05 pm 
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Just from skimming it sounds like you made it too obvious. Probably better to just end up at your place without mentioning it. Like right when you're outside your building that's when you decide to go upstairs.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:19 pm 
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This is another one of those threads where I wonder how I can read OP totally different than everyone else. Everyone keeps saying "You should have done X during the time you were with her!" with a particular focus on leading and being disinterested. Even though he gave us sparse info, that tells us nothing about leadership or interest. As far as I can see, the problem was twofold. Lack of comfort and an ultimatum which doesn't fly with girls.

When they made it to the hostel, rather than say "Come back to my place, right now, or fuck off", "It's too early for you to go to bed. Let's go get a drink/food/whatever". THEN invite back to your place. It's very socially awkward to take a girl back to where she's staying and then say "Hey, why don't we turn around and walk to my house?".

Also, walking long distances to sex locations is just a bad idea logistically. You ask her back when she's at least somewhat horny. Nothing kills horniness like a thirty minute stroll down the sidewalk.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:18 pm 
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I didn't read the OP, but:

An "independent woman" was brought-up to think that she needs to have a career in place before she seriously considers settling-down, and that men consider this to be desirable. This is all kinds of blue-pill bogus and "feminism", but as a woman with "independent" friends (sorry for all the quotes), it's a front.

This type of woman tends to think that she can be pickier, due to her job or income or education level, but she usually falls for the same types other women do. If she's smarter, she'll probably want a man who's intelligent. Probably what's lacking is a "real man" in her life.

A good example is my female lawyer friend, who ended-up marrying a manly mechanic-type. Don't feel like you have to be that perfect man that she wants, just be that manly man that she needs. I'd say, make her feel feminine. Be old-fashioned, ironic as that may sound. If she calls you out on it, saying that you're a "chauvanist" or whatever, have a debate. Say that you understand where she's coming from, but then respectfully explain why old fashioned-gender roles are still important to you, etc. The point is, she'll push for equality, but you're pushing for attracting her.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:22 pm 
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So two weeks ago I met this asian girl. She was hard to handle, when I invited her to my place, she said "no, I don't want to" but at the same time stroking her breasts was fine with her.

She was there on holiday and actually said that she didn't want to meet me tomorrow because she only had three days in my city(we spent one of them together) and she desperately needed to see some fucked up museum.

Obviously you cannot compete with a building.

But I thought, the very fact that she is here only for a short period of time makes it easier to have sex with her, but no, she wants to see a museum instead.

Also she didn't want to go to my place but instead hang out in a greasy youth hostel in the lobby with me?(I asked her about her room situation and she said, she was in a dorm, so no fucking there). I said, great, you want to go to your youth hostel, I want to go home, so that's it. And I left that cunt.

She calls herself "independent" and is oh-so-proud of it. If I say, let's go this way, she says no, let's go that way blahblahblah.

If it is so easy to have sex with women who are travelling, why do I experience that shit then?
The problem is, you can't compete with a museum. Isn't that what you said?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:59 pm 
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The problem is, you can't compete with a museum. Isn't that what you said?
Can you elaborate what your question is?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:39 pm 
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Interesting perspective about me not leading her, but you are wrong, I did lead her.

What you do, hugging her and leaving makes you just jerk off at home. Because she won't come with you. And why is that? Because she is oh-so-independent.

Yes, I actually do have alternatives at the moment, so I don't have to fake that.

I could do a freeze out but leaving her will make me not see her again.

In fact, when she wanted me to go to her greasy lobby I said: "Okay, you want to go to your lobby with me, I want to go home with you, so that is it". She thought for quite some time and said that she wanted to go to her greasy lobby. I said "Bye" and left. Did she follow me?

No, she didn't.

Of course not. Because this I-can-leave mentality means giving her control: "I am leaving, you can follow me or leave". A huge loop she has to jump through and so she does not.

The reason I wrote about arrogance is that you base your judgement on a vague overview of the worst things that happened. Like a judge in court who decides based on evidence being given which results in false convictions.

Instead, ask more than you judge.
No. You haven't been leading her.

She's been dragging you around like a little fucking puppy.

It's already too late with this girl... as she's already shown she's got bigger balls than you do in this relationship.

But next time, you've gotta put your fucking foot down man. From the start.

Don't let girls do this to you EVER AGAIN because I guarantee if she were around for alot longer... she would start asking you for money and a free place to live.

And you'd do it for her too.... She might even have sex with you once or twice.

And then she'd want you to be her boyfriend and get you even more sucked into being her bitch. And you'd do whatever she asks.

And then you'd find out while you're sitting at home waiting for her, she's fucking some other guy who she says is her cousin...

He will even come into your house and drink your beer because she says he can. And you'll be cool with it because you tolerate this type of behavior. Because you allowed yourself to be her bitch

I've had plenty of girls that I've "used" for stuff and you have to be a fucking FOOL to think that a girl won't use you. Trust me man, I had one time in particular that comes to mind where I thought I was being the "player" but no... she's the one who's playing you bro.

She's manipulative and you're letting her manipulate you. You're blinded by the pussy.

Quit being so naive. Open your fucking eyes and realize what is going on right infront of you.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:27 pm 
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What would you have done in those moments I described?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:00 pm 
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What would you have done in those moments I described?

Learn how to persuade people better and reframe situations to get what you want out of them. It sounds bad... but learn how to be manipulative and influence people yourself. Either you're the one doing the fucking or you're the one getting fucked. Make your choice.

I'll give you an example...

With the museum...

She wanted to go there because she's from out of town and she thought it would be cool to check out. You accepted her telling you what she's going to do.

Why didn't you talk the museum down and tell her it sucked? Tell her she's wasting her time and it's not all its hyped up to be... And then tell her you've got something way more kick ass for her to do with you

That would be leading the situation. Instead of telling her "I don't want to go to the museum." make it so it's her choice to not want to go to the museum...

Hopefully that makes sense. You'll get better at it with practice.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:12 pm 
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Why didn't you talk the museum down and tell her it sucked? Tell her she's wasting her time and it's not all its hyped up to be... And then tell her you've got something way more kick ass for her to do with you

That would be leading the situation. Instead of telling her "I don't want to go to the museum." make it so it's her choice to not want to go to the museum...
Good that I asked.


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