Are they doing it out of jealousy, spite, and to stop you from enjoying life?

I would bet yes.

I say those are not 'Good Friends'. They want you to make them feel good and do not want you to succeed.

I had some friends like this, I just do not hang out with them as much. Will we shoot the shit and grab some beers every so often? When I have time. Will I invite them to go out with me, my GF, or when I was sarging? No. Because they are negative and stunt my growth. Not as a PUA, but in life.

I am not as extreme to say ditch them. But these are not guys to bring around your family or people who matter in life like potential partners, bosses, etc. They will shoot you in the foot.

Sure, bragging for you about your accomplishments may help in the short term, but as soon as it burns you, which it will, you will regret going out with them.

Good luck, with what ever you choose.

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Alls I'm saying is that you shouldn't toss friends in the bin over woman. And yes it totally depends on why they're doing it. If it's out of hate towards you...they hate you...and you probably shouldn't be friends lol. If it's out of jealousy...they could love you like a brother but they might be horrible with woman and like typical AFCs, boil inside with lust and jealousy of others romantic lives and sometimes these emotions boil out into snide remarks or douchy actions. This is a chance to reform them and show them the light

I'm a person that hates avoiding problems. One of the rule I have is never go to sleep angry. Especially with a girl, settle the argument out. This is my approach to this situation, find a solution to your ignorant friends attitude before abandoning ship with them. I'm not saying let it keep happening over and over like a McFly vs Biff thing, like I said if it happens again than reconsider the relationship but at least try to work it out. I can easily imagine myself in the douchy friend's shoes, tossing my friends under the buss because I am bad with woman and don't know how to handle that situation

More "bros before hoes" crap. If your friends are actively trying to sabotage your chances at succeeding in something, there is a good chance they just may actually not be true friends. OP, don't be afraid of ditching negative people like this. You're not in high school anymore, I assume, there is no reason to retain these adolescent attitudes about loyalty to "friends" who screw you over just so you can feel like you're "one of the guys (AFCs)".

Consider your friends belittling you during sets as a challenge. You being butt hurt by their action is a sign of a beta male. Therefore, do the opposite and not be butt hurt about it.

Don't react to your friends when they show up. Just stay grounded and relax while maintaining hardcore eye contact with the girl. By you not trying and your friend trying more will draw the girl to you. The one who is trying the most is the lower person. Ignore your friend ... don't even look at them. Just maintain that eye contact with the girl ... You don't even have to say anything as your friend is talking ... You may feel this awkward feeling inside you telling you to say something to get the girls attention ... don't say anything ... just let that awkward silence from you hang .. this will turn into sexual pleasure and draw the girl to you because you are TRYING THE LESS.

If your friend/amogers are super annoying ... literally pick the girl up and isolate her from the mosquito.

Finally, once you isolate or your friend gives up ... continue the interaction like nothing bad had happen ... because you are an alpha male and you don't even let beta males phase you.

Summary:
1) Don't react to your friend ... completely ignore them. Maintain hardcore eye contact with the girl.
2) If your friend/amoger still persists on being annoying ... literally pick the girl up and isolate her from everyone.
3) Relax, stay calm and grounded ... poker face it if you must!
4) Continue the interaction like nothing bad had happen ... because nothing did bad happen only you make it seem bad by reacting :p

Sincerely,

Donston

PS: To stop your butt from hurting is to not be butt hurt :p.

Your trying to find a solution within the problem. If they're your "friends" , they wouldnt be cockblocking you in the first place... The real solution ... Either educate them on how to act or find new friends altogether

It solves many things like:
1) You reacting to your friend shows your weakness ... means you are "outcome dependent" with the girl.
2) If the friend sees that their cock blocking doesn't phase you ... they will stop.
3) Puts the friend in place ... by you getting the girl makes you the higher person/alpha male ... and your friend being beta/try hard/lower than you.
4) Trains you how to deal with AMOGERS that are not your friend.
5) Trains you to beat oneities.

Me and my friends play this game all the time. We try to steal each others girl, during pick up. If my friend successfully steals the girl ... that means I was "outcome dependent". But, if the girl stays, despite the attempt of my friend/amoger ... that means I am grounded and entitled. Of course we agree on this before we start gaming.

If you can't handle your friends cock blocking you ... how will you handle amogers that are not your friend? Should I educate the amoger? Lol, like they will listen to you. The solution here is you show the girl which is the right choice by not trying as hard as the amoger. Don't you want the skill to keep the girl despite being cock blocked?

Understand, if the girl leaves and you feel butt hurt that your friend or amogers cock blocked you ... means that you put to much outcome on the girl. A true alpha male does not care if he gets the girl or not ... which paradoxically will attract the girl.

You are right that you can educate your friend on "friends should not cock block" ... but that doesn't solve your problem of outcome dependency. If you want to send a message to your friend then put him in place by getting the girl. You get the girl by being non outcome dependent on the results and getting the girl.

But, that is through my experience and I am happy I've developed my skills of being grounded and being an icy mofo! It is up to the person to use your idea or mine or both ^_^.

Cymbal crash.

Eh hem. . . lol. . . since when does picking up a chick = "LIFE"? Fucking a chick is the "TOP"? LOL. . . come on man. . .
The friends of the OP just lacked some social awareness during male/female interactions. These guys didn't try to screw the guy's career over. They didn't try to infect him with some disease. Come on. . . are you kids serious? Are you in fact 17 year old girls pretending to be online PUA nutjobs? What the hell is going on here? The guy's friends just wanted to "one up" each other in front of girls. Retarded 17 year olds. . . (90% of the forum members) do THIS ALL THE TIME even on the internet, where nobody knows them. Get on the chat with ONE strange female showing up and everybody starts trash-typing. Hell, there was an 38 year old who did it as well."I fuck this. I fuck that. The other guys fuck nothing. Other guys are assholes."

Stop with the "employee" mentality and get on board with the "employer" mentality. Control your shit instead of running from it. Bottom of the rung idiots always jump from job to job to job, blaming all the crap on their employers. When a decent employer is faced with a useless loser, he/she tries to educate him/her on that job first. If employee still cannot accomplish those tasks, a good employer will try to relocate the employee to another position where the employee might be functional. And only when the guy is a total fuck up, does a good employer fire the fuck up.

*And that whole thing about "girls hurting you". . . LOL . . . come on. . . 90% of women who are in prison are there because of their boyfriends/husbands. 100% of the men in prison are there for their own dumb ass shit. Now, I can see why some men might feel hurt by women. . . ehm. . . "she didn't swallow!??" Could it be, "She doesn't appreciate my polka dancing?!?!?" "She yelled at me. . . wahhhhh!!!"

The pussyfication of young men today . . . hilarious. . . just come out of the closet, bend over, and get it over with. Stop torturing yourselves.

I wasn't just talking about girls dude... I'm talking about life in general. Yeah, in this case... his friends are holding him back from getting good with girls. Fuck em. Leave them behind. Relationships aren't meant to last forever... even with friends.

He's trying to grow as a person. They are trying to hold him back because they don't want to see him succeed... It makes them look worse and feel worse about themselves. "He's getting laid. I'm not. So I'm gonna screw him over." So fuck em. Friends are always gonna do that to you once they start to see you get better. Same with family unfortunately...

It would be the same if he were trying to start his own business and his friends keep trying to discourage him or put him down... why the fuck would you keep that negativity in your life?
See... thats the difference between me and you I suppose. If I have an employee who is a fuck up... I fire them. No second chances. If you're hurting my business, I'm not gonna keep you around so you can keep doing it. People usually don't change. It's as simple as that.
Women try and hold men back all the time. ALL THE TIME... You're lost if you think otherwise.

I agree with kasabi's point that your friends messing up your chances to fuck does not equal "holding you back in life." To 99% of the population (non PUA), people don't see you not fucking a chick as messing up their life, or keeping them from a lifestyle they want. Guys don't leave the bar after not taking someone home and think "Damn...my self improvement is really set back by this." Odds are, your friends don't even see it as a serious thing. Unless you've sat down and opened up with them and said "I really want to get better with women and need positive experiences or I'll be depressed and feel unfulfilled." This is far different from a situation where you're in love with a girl, in a relationship with her and you're friend is sabotaging your happiness and trying to take her or something. MOST GUYS DON'T THINK GETTING LAID IS THAT SERIOUS. The guys who do...get into pickup.

I'm habitually late. Sure, my friends could see it as, neo doesn't respect me, I can't depend on him, he's gonna hold me back from developing as a person, but they know it's not that serious. I'm just late. I always come through when needed and treat them with full respect. My pt is, you don't have to take someone's negative behavior/action and take it to the extreme of what it could mean.

And lastly, access how YOU are treating your friends. If they aren't getting laid, are you helping them? That's what friends do. If they're sad and lonely, are you helping them? Thats what friends do. Inviting them to the bar so you can sarge, is not being a friend. Are you hooking them up with girls' friends? Are you asking girls you're good with if they have a friend for your friend or setting up a double date? Or are you ditching them at the bar to fuck some girl, are you inviting them out then disappearing on them while you "run game " for 30 mins, are you bailing on them for a date then bragging about the kiss close you got after...are you doing any of these things and then wondering why they want to pounce on any girl you bring close to them? I've gotten a lot of friends laid by just telling a chick, "If you don't have a cute friend for my friend to hook up with too, it's not happening between us tonight. I'll chill with him and have fun." Girls like that shit because it shows you value something, even a "loser" dude over her pussy. And I meant it. If my friend hasn't been laid in a while, I'm not gonna leave him at a bar to go fuck some random chick. Call it a bromance but when I go out I have fun with my friends and I'm not gonna feel good sleeping with a chick knowing my friend is alone and AFC at the bar. Pussy ain't that big a deal.

I've met alot of community guys and frankly, they're so set on getting laid that they disrespect their friends for any piece of ass then wonder why they lose friends. They write it up as "people are jealous of my growth" when it's they're tired of being bailed on, bragged to and USED as a wing man when they wanted a simple night out. All of this is to say, start with yourself. Look at if you're being a good friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zawPdTQ ... RaneAlfSGg

Watch that video starting at about 20 minutes... Maybe that will put things into a different perspective for you.


Just because you've been friends with someone since you were 5... doesn't mean you have to continue being friends with them if they are holding you back from getting what you want out of life.

Like I said, if people are stopping you from getting the things you want... fuck em. Cut them out of your life (If its girls that they are holding you back from, atleast stop being a retard and going out with them... I don't understand how some of you are having such a hard time grasping that concept.) and surround yourself with friends who will help you get there.

Watched a bit. "Cut anything that takes MORE than it gives." So a lay, or a kiss close or a girl is more than a buddy, having fun with a friend, someone who comes through for you and has been a good friend in every other way besides talking shit to girls?? I agree, if something is taking more than it gives cut it. But a friend is way more than negative experiences around a few girls. If it was just a wing I'd understand. Cut him if he's messing you up in set. But meeting women should be a SMALL part of a friendship. If >50% of the time you hang out with a friend is centered around meeting women...that's not a friend...that's a wing.