No , you posted lame messages that got zero response which didn't surprise me.

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But explain to me why are they are so lame?

I thought that a couple of messages I had sent were direct and confident saying: "Well, I have read your dating profile and you seem like you got a really great PERSONALITY. I think you are really cute and I would like to get together and meet you out for some coffee. When are you free to meet up?" This is what Coach Corey Wayne said to do, which is to get to the point of my intention after sending 0 to perhaps 3 small talk response messages at the most instead of going back and forth too much and not getting to the point of what my intentions as a man are towards a woman.

I even tried being more light, funny, and curious saying: "I have to be honest with you. I don’t know much about Costa Rica; I think it’s in the Caribbean or Central America or something like that. All I know is that some of my buddies go on week-long safari trips. Which makes me wonder: what does it look like when you fly in at the airport? As the plane is descending, do you see 25,000 people with backpacks filled with heavy gear? Are there 25,000 more people who are to hunt for big game? Inquiring minds want to know." This style was based off of another dating coach named Evan Marc Katz. Also, the girl I sent this message to happened to respond to it saying: "The airport is small. Most people are tourists or locals. Lots of pastry Europeans looking for a change of pace and weather. It's a beautiful country." Afterwards, I responded to her again, by once again trying to get to the point of what my intentions as a man are towards a woman. Not to mention that I at first came with the notion that every guy and girl, including myself, who have paid full membership fees on match.com, were motivated enough and trying to be practical to at least try and date anyone who at least seems normal overall.

I don't think you get it man.

Why don't you try being a challenge instead of asking her on a date when you don't know anything about her?

Forget about what this 'Cory nobody' is... I hope you have common sense that if something is not working, then stop bashing your head against a brick wall till it breaks.

Try being challenge man.

"you seem cool and all, but let ask you something, If I was in the same room as your BEST friend in the whole world, what would he/she tell me about you that I can't just find out by reading your profile, it's important to mention the good and the bad! :p"

This line has got me laid and lots from online dating. You're basically qualifying her, she has to think of something good to say to your question that shows investment from her part. THEN push for the date since she has proved herself to you


For me, I do a bit of flirty conversations. Then hit them with the big qualifier question. If she answers nicely... Get the phone number, then continue to text, be flirty and then arrange a drink together (coffee dates are so lame bro!)

I have to be honest, your replies are full of frustration and defeatist. I can imagine girls can smell that through your messages too, You don't even thank anybody for taking the time to type to you. I was going to offer to message girls using your profile and print screen the pics of the photo but think I will pass.

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Think about if a stranger walked up to you and said, "hey, you are cute and your personality seems awesome, we should hang out." Yeah, you would be flattered, but it would make it really awkward to proceed. What do you say to this? What do you do?

Girls do want to meet up with you, you just have to push the right buttons in the right order. The major flaw I see in your game is you are focusing on what dating coaches and yourself seems appropriate. Try to think about what a woman feels/thinks/see/interperets from your pictures/profiles/messages/ ect. Seduction requires you to be able to enter a woman's spirit, understand her, anticipate her thoughts and reactions. Simply thinking you are a normal guy who has paid full membership is not sufficient enough. One more major flaw is that you aren't making an emotional connection. To do this I sometimes ask a woman right away if she has ever kissed anyone off the site. It states your intentions and gets her thinking romantically about you.

Your messages are on the right track, but seriously lacking. You talk too much about irrelevant things. You seem too interested. Too ready to date. It seems like you are trying to hard, thinking too much, and somewhat desperate. I said it earlier and i'll say it again - enjoy the process. Every interaction doesn't have to lead to a date. Learn something from each conversation and it will bring you closer to your goal.

I'm Sorry, I didn't mean insult you. If I did come off that way, then my mistake. I didn't intend to take out my frustration and anger out on you. When I said that "...If you if out 500 girls you message to online or ask out in the real life only 5 will say yes to going with you, then that just seems sad and stupid...," I wasn't trying to refer "you" as you personally alphabro, I meant to refer "you" as guys in general who try to pick up girls. The thing is is that I've had heard statements from people like Coach Corey Wayne saying things such as "most of the girls that you like are going to say no", or that "most of the girls that I like are going to say no", or that "out of 100 girls you ask in real life about 5 will go out with you on a date, and that out of those 5 dates you will get 1 lay." These statements are similar to what you are saying including "Even the best pick up artists can't have more than a 20% success rate in non-online gaming." I mean, I get that not every girl that I am into will like me,and I do accept that fact, but why is it that the most you could ever attain as a pick-up artist is about 20% success rate instead of something like 50-60%?

Also, to answer your question as to how many girls have I messaged in total, I have messaged 10 on match.com and actually about 10 on OKC -which was the first online dating website that I tried before a while back, but ended up not getting me any results-.

You're right, I obviously still don't get, which is why I am on this site to get help in figuring out why certain things don't work as I thought they would like Corey Wayne's methods or Kezia Noble's techniques. Also, I did say earlier that I would appreciate any feedback from anyone, especially those who have a lot of experience with girls like yourself and I actually still am. So I thank you as well as others for at least responding to me and giving me seemingly legit advice.

Yes, I will admit that I am frustrated, but it's because I feel like I have tried so hard to apply the concepts from all of the dating books and research that I've read up on, and I've only ended up with 2 first dates within the past several months. Plus, believe it or not, but I am going to be 26 and a half years old in a few days, and I've never had a girlfriend before in my life or even gotten laid ever.

I know you weren't trying to offend me, it's cool.

As far as why your success rate can't be higher. Think of it like this. Out of 100 girls:

20 have boyfriends (if online probably 10 have boyfriends and the other 10 are getting 100 messages a day)
20 Aren't in a mental place where they will allow themselves to be picked up
20 aren't attracted to you for reasons outside of your control
20 are at the wrong time.

thats leaves 20 +/- girls out of the approach that are open and willing to be seduced by you. The most successful pick up artists can probably number close all 20 girls and lay 10 for a success ratio of 50%. Aspiring artists like you and me will lower success rates.

The amount of messages you send tells me that your standards are extremely too high, and probably so in real life too. There is nothing wrong with this, but you are disqualifying many girls that would agree to go out with you. You also aren't talking to nearly enough women. Message more girls just to practice conversation,man.

Keep gaming!

Ah. He's a Virgin. Things are starting to become clear. (Don't be ashamed, it's cool)

I think you should only do online dating when you are already getting laid a little bit.

I mean. You probably have never even escalated on a girl before..you probably have to fail a lot before you get laid so I recommend to get into real life gaming instead to put some hair on your chest. You need to see the light. I can feel the defeatist attitude behind your words.

You should chill out with online dating for a while. Meet some wings and at the least, go out in the weekend and start approaching girls for references and experience. This will make your online game fine tuned.

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Yeah Pebble is right, man. Consider getting some experience in the field before attempting online game. Many guys like yourself turn to online dating because of the failures in the field, but this isn't really helping anything. Girls on there still want the same thing in a man that they want in a man they meet in the streets. What are you going to do when you actually do meet up?

That being said, you don't necessarily have to remove yourself from online dating, just keep it on the side. Use it to practice conversation with women or something. Online dating is becoming an intricate part of my game, but thats because I have experience opening, escalating, closing ect. in the field - but don't have the time or money to go to bars and clubs regularly. I think you will find much more success if you practice these skills in the non-online environment.

Keep your head up,bro! Your determination and focus will pay off. Keep absorbing all the information you can get your hands on about women, dating, social dynamics, body language ect. You have introduced a few concepts throughout our dialogue that I wasn't even aware of.

Idk what Pebble thinks of this, but consider advertising that you are a virgin. It will turn most girls off, but some girls are virgin hunters who will take care of the whole process for you

I have no idea how that would work in an online setting.

But from seeing how girls to bananas over Virgin in a bar/club it would be rude not to try.

If I was a virgin starting out , I would:

- night game at the weekend fri/sat.
- day game Sunday.
- online when it's not convenient to be in the field.

You really need to sack off the guru following bullshit, wake up and smell the cheese.

It took me to approach 100's to girls to get an idea how to escalate properly.

So you don't have many online dates, you would have to fail 100 online dates for you to be successful so it's a no brainer to get into say like a club or something where you can escalate quick fast on tons of girls

THEN, when it comes to your online dates. You will be competent at taking things to the bedroom

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Hope you guys had a good 4th of July yesterday.

I thank you guys again for all the advice given to me. From now on, I'll try to focus on meeting women in real life, and much less on online dating.

Regarding the guru following bullshit, it's just that I thought before that these coaches seemed to be really legit and knew what they were talking about. Also, as to what Pebble said earlier "I hope you have common sense that if something is not working, then stop bashing your head against a brick wall till it breaks." Yes, I get that, but then again they say that repetition is the mother of skill. lol jk. Maybe Coaches like Kezia and Corey are still right, and I may think that I got their concepts and techniques down well enough, but perhaps in reality I still have been doing their methods and ideas wrong. Idk. Otherwise, if it is them and not just me who have got it wrong then maybe you Pebble or you Alphabro could suggest to someone like me, who is a newbie as to which dating coaches or PUA masters I should really be following, and what books and materials of anyone of them should I really be starting with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65fRrFJnrBg watch this, problem solved.

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I never really got into the PUA guru thing. Those guys are smart and successful, i've just never been a follower.


I would recommend:


Reading :

Tony's lay guide/ manic high's lay guide (linked beneath)
http://www.pickupguide.com/layguide/

Taro San's Seduction Guide
http://www.pickupguide.com/taroguid.htm

The Art of Seduciton
The Game

Watching:
Hitch
Wedding Crashers
Witches of Eastwick

Gaming at:
Coffee shops
book stores
malls
Pools
clubs/bars if you are into that kind of thing


Finally, If you really just want to look up to somebody, I recommend Justin Wayne. He does videos on youtube with his sidekick that are really really good. Most of it is field work done with hidden cameras. What I like about this is he gets away from the classroom/seminar setting and actually shows you how to do it. Like I said, I don't follow anybody much, but if I had to recommend someone to watch, this is the guy. Plus, all of his stuff is free on youtube.

Alright, I'll look up those references. Thanks guys.

Also, I probably should have told you guys this, but I have very little to no friends ever since I got out of college. Even though, I am likeable, it's been hard for me to make friends lately, given that I haven't belonged to a daily program or job where I see the same people everyday like in high school, college, grad school, a full-time profession, or what have you. Plus, I've lost contact with people I made friends with from high school or from college. Given that this is the case along with the fact that I have only had 2 first dates within the past several months, I am wondering if it will actually be almost impossible for me to ever get much dating practice with girls until I've finally gotten a full-time job that i like, or get into a grad program that I desire.

Start meeting strangers, join hobbies where you can meet people.

Treat yourself to a nice sexy hooker perhaps too

If you have no friends or social skills, I really don't get why doing online game would take priority over getting social skills.

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