I see a lot of members here that seem to toss the word "kino" around a lot in their descriptions. And they tend to link it to some pretty weird stuff like "I kinoed her hand as a I reached for her phone!" "I continued kino, by brushing her hair aside as I asked a question." "I took the opportunity to increase kino by nudging her arm". It seems like many are counting the number of times they touch her, like they're racking up kino points or something.

Now, it's been a looong time since I read MM, LS(7+ years). Did they *ever* teach it this way? I mean, the entire point of her getting used to you touching her, is continuous contact, and the shit above is utterly worthless. Hand on leg = yes. Arm around shoulder, yes. Her sitting on your lap, bigger yes. Grinding on you on dance floor... oddly enough varies from huge yes, to "meh, a little".

What I'm asking here is if this is actually taught by any of the major systems(MM, P101, DD, RSD, etc)? IE any touching = progress/big deal!
I'm %100 sure this "slight and short touches mean something" is wrong, but I just wonder if this is somehow a super common misunderstanding, or if a lot of people are being given really shit advice from these systems. I just see so many members act like this is some major component of seducing women. Yet brushing her hair, or touching her wrist doesn't accomplish anything. It has literally nothing to do with it. Yes, she needs to be comfortable with your touch, but that comes from major and sustained contact. Not little fleeting taps.

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It has also been a long time since I have actively read any methodology but from what I remember, most methods recommend starting with small, fleeting touches.

In my experience, I have found that the little high fives, fist bumps, "claw" arms, wrist touches, fake palm readings, etc. definitely DO work in paving the way for more major and sustained touch. These are especially important for girls (or guys) who are not as comfortable with touching strangers - everyone is somewhere on that spectrum - in order to become more comfortable as the interaction progresses. Guys that are not used to doing this need to celebrate their victories, however small.

The Kino Escalation Ladder by Vin DiCarlo - highly recommended. Touching her hair may not "accomplish" anything, but as Vin states, it is an indicator of her comfort/trust with you - people don't let just anyone touch their hair or their head.

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I'm completely in agreement that touching can be a good indicator of comfort. Yes, if she lets you touch her hair and thinks nothing of it, she's somewhat comfortable with you. And that's everything related to touch - comfort.
I would even agree with your whole list
"high fives, fist bumps" - commonality, and usually while having fun
"claw" arms - sustained touch
fake palm readings - interesting and if done right, makes her feel like you know her better than you do

All of your examples were purposeful and part of a normal, fun interaction. None of them consisted of just randomly grabbing the girl to "escalate kino". Yes, you should be touching her a lot. But the early stuff is minor at best. You need comfort, proximity and sustained contact. I'd rather sit next to the girl and not touch her for ten minutes, than get five random social touches.

And beyond looking for any opening to touch her, I also see them fret that no opportunities for taps are coming up, thus locking them out of higher forms of contact. That's total crap. A good portion of the time, the first time I touch a girl is either putting my arm around her, my hand on her leg or taking her hand and walking with her. Failing to not "casually touch her at least ten times"(something I've seen mentioned on numerous occasions), prevents nothing.

I agree that it is new guys who say things like this. That's my concern. They're focusing on the wrong things. I haven't seen them in field, but I get sense that the way they're doing this, probably serves to make the girl less, not more comfortable.

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That's exactly it. If I were teaching someone new, I'd stress that it has to be part of a normal, fun interaction.

The rub is that sometimes, especially to a newbie, things can seem quite awkward at the time if you aren't used to doing them - such as saying, "give me your hand," or touching on the arm while speaking.

No one is saying that randomly or awkwardly touching women is solid game. But sometimes someone has to go through that phase in order to get comfortable with kino and kino escalation.

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