So, for about the past... 6 years? Longer? What I have mostly been doing is online college, video games and porn. I havent talked to anyone except my family really. I dont have any friends. I dont know how to talk to people, and honestly, I dont enjoy doing it.

I dont see how people have so much to say. How do people think anything coming out of their mouth is so important that other people wanna hear it? Every time I open my mouth I already know nobody wants to hear anything I have to say, and its never proven wrong. If people wanted to talk to me they would, but of course no one wants to.

So I see this, and I see nothing but work ahead of me. So much practice talking, and failing, and hurting from it, I dont even know if its worth all the pain and time.

How long do I even have to talk to a girl before she will sleep with me? I dont like talking to people. Im not sure if I can even figure this out. So I am thinking of saying screw all this, all the time I would spend learning to game is time I could be spending making money to pay for it.

Sounds like you are indeed far behind, but that doesn't mean it's a lost cause.

Talking to people is a skill that you can develop, but only by practice. You should start by trying to change your mindset. Everything you have to say IS interesting, because you find it interesting.

Also, I'm sure you have some conversational skills. What do you talk about when you are with your family? Do you hate talking to your family? I'm sure they are interested in what you have to say when you are with them and that you feel comfortable talking to them.

You also can't tell how much you have to talk with someone before you can sleep with them. Every person is different. In night clubs there are girls you can take home without talking for more than 5 minutes. And they arn't hookers. But you have to be a personality which feels comfortable with this. You have to figure out how you feel comfortable and do exactly that. For example: I've tried nightgaming, escalating quickly, but I never had any success. I tried finding out why I failed all the time, but in the end I found out that that just wasn't my style. I don't feel comfotable with girls who I met for only 20-30 minutes. I found out that I need to know the girl for at least a couple of days before I feel comfortable enough to sleep with them. Once I found out I needed that, I felt much more better in general.

You say you hate talking to people. I suggest you start finding out WHY you hate talking to WHICH people, and then question yourself if you really stand behind those reasons.

Surely you talk to friends and family?



Its the same thing, but with new people that can be female and suck the jizz out of your cock

Are you a virgin?

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FUCK PAYING FOR SEX. You shouldn't even consider that an option. Self-improvement is the ONLY WAY to turn your life around and get what you want out of it. Newsflash: It's also the harder option, but way more worth your own time and energy(and money) than paying for a meaningless 30 minute quickie.

I'd bet you posted on this forum having some sort of gut instinct/feeling that this place could help you. I'd also say you wouldn't have posted anything if you didn't actually want help-----> Do yourself a favor, trust that gut feeling and stick around.

I'd save the money you're gonna spend on prostitutes and use it on a dating/pick up coach. Learn how to fish rather than buy fish

I'm an ex-video gamer and porn user (still play games but less and kicking the porn) It doesn't matter than you've been like that for 6 years, you can turn it around AT ANY POINT.

We dont talk about anything. Really, my family is a bunch of doers not talkers. We dont really like each other anyway. Its always been like that. I am glad I had video games so I had a place to escape to but it killed any chance at socializing I had.
I am comfortable doing this... I guess I should note that I have paid for it before. I dont care to know people at all really, if shes cute and fairly sane I am down. I dont even have the social skills to talk for 5 minutes though, thats how bad it is for me. How do I find those girls?

But being comfortable with it is especially concerning. I am not comfortable around people period. I hate large crowds and cant stand bars n stuff. I go to them sometimes... I just sit there and have a beer, never talking to anyone. I watch people doing their thing sometimes. I can't really open successfully, not even guys.
When I think about it, I just hate it before anyone even comes in to consideration, because I like to DO stuff. Talking is boring. I wanna dance or walk around or get down. Talking just seems like a waste of time to me, like wouldnt people rather do something fun?

I dont know, this is what makes me feel the most hopeless because I see that I am going to have to talk a lot to get somewhere and I am not sure if I can ever enjoy it.
No and no.

I cannot agree with the others about hookers. Any sex is a release and if you are more relaxed and less desperate you will have an easier time talking to regular chicks. Go ahead and empty that sack into a pro, but then by all means get a coach and work on yourself...

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Well fuck man. There's your problem. If you want to meet girls, you've gotta get the fuck out of your house.

It's your life... Do whatever the fuck you want to do...

But I'll make a few suggestions, THROW AWAY YOUR VIDEO GAMES!! They are a complete waste of time. They give you this idea that you're actually "accomplishing" something and you're really not doing shit.

And stop watching porn!!

1. It makes you lazy (that's why the call lazy people Jerk Offs... Because thats all they do.)

2. When you do fuck a girl, your dick isn't gonna work because you've been squeezing the fuck out of it for who knows how long.

3. It gives your brain the idea "Ok, I'm blowing my load. This is good enough." You're tricking your body into thinking its doing something good and reproducing when you're really just burning through kleenex and lotion.

4. It will make you more aggressive. If you go a week without jerking off... I guarantee you are going to be one AGGRESSIVE mother fucker. So you go out and you look for a girl.

Do you want to know why most guys who get into this don't actually get laid? They aren't aggressive enough. They aren't closers.
Well, you don't have anything to talk about. All you do is play with your dick and play video games. Get the fuck out there and do some interesting, cool shit and all the sudden.... YOU ACTUALLY HAVE INTERESTING, COOL SHIT TO TALK ABOUT. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Well if you're just going to be a little bitch and run away from hard work... Then I can't help you there. You need to stop being so fucking lazy. If you want this lifestyle for yourself, you've gotta put in the time. And unfortunately, the worse off you are, the longer it's gonna take.

You're going to fail alot. You're going to cry sometimes because you don't know what you're doing wrong. You're going to want to quit and give up.

But whats worse man...? Putting in the time and hard work to improve your life or dealing with being depressed and feeling sorry for yourself? Either way its gonna suck. And I PROMISE YOU that by just paying some girl to fuck you, that won't cure your depression... In fact, it will probably make you feel worse. It will just make you feel dirty and empty.

And I'll tell you this... If you DO take the time and put in massive amounts of effort to actually get this shit handled, you will feel so proud of yourself for what you've accomplished. You'll never revert to old habits because you know what its like being at an ultimate low.

Don't give yourself the option to go lower.

Stop thinking like that. Just learn to enjoy the conversation and presence of a woman. Quit thinking of girls as just holes that you shove your cock into.
Okay, well start liking talking to people. If you don't like talking to people, people aren't going to like talking to you.
Fix your fucking attitude man.


Before you get all upset by the way I'm talking to you (because I know you're going to)... You NEED some tough love. I'm not trying to be your friend. I'm trying to help you.

yes you should pay for sex. sex is sex and talking is talking and mostly girls demand talking before they give you sex, there are girls that will agree to fuck with no/almost no talking beforehand but searching for them takes time and time is money.
good luck

having said that you don´t have to give up on game completely. you can do both like i do, i talk to girls and try to get them in bed but my long term goal in life is to work very harfd save alot of money and a few years from now move to a third world countries where i am financially independent and will spend the rest of my life fucking several new whores everyday, this is the only way i can find relief.

most people here won´t understand you because they can´t fathom that there is a subset of peoople who DON´T want to talk to people and if they do want to talk to people then only for short periods of time and only if they have something interesting to tell. well, most girls want to talk for extended periods of time and they rarely have something interesting to say.

i have a sister and a dad that i rarely talk to. i have two brothers and a mum that i sometimes have discussions with. thats all i need, if someone comes up and try to strike a conversation with me i usually get irritaded. the only reason i talk to people is if i need/want something from them

Amen to majikalmethod post.

I'm all for the hookers though , they will even talk to you and can have a decent conversation afterwards if you cum quick enough

You can even tell them your problem(s)

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Paying for sex is not the same as having sex with a girl who actually finds you attractive. The experience is completely different. All the prostitute wants is your money and is trying her absolute best to get it over and done with as soon a possible so she can tell you to fuck off. Its a fun enjoyable experience compared to a dark seedy one.

Of course not; it can't not be proven wrong; your expectation becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

If on the other hand you truly believed that what you have to say is fascinating to people and that they hang on your every word, you may eventually find that people indeed do hang on your every word.

Agreed w/ dropping the gaming & dropping the fap - they are alternate realities.

I would suggest the book 'how to win friends & influence people'.

well here is a good place to start
RSD Newbie Guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lqo86IvOJ0

I know exactly what your saying. What you can do is pay for it and learn how to talk to women, so when you find one you like, you know how to keep her. That's what Ive been doing, and just now (after 4 years) found a girl I actually like.

I never liked the idea of paying for it, I figured I know girls like to have sex. Channing tatum, twilight and 50 shades of grey are all popular for a reason. So why dont girls just do what they want to do for free? Dont ask me they dont make sense to me, but reguardless, it seems to me like Ill be paying one way or another, whether in time or money or both. Looking over the posts here... I guess im gonna do it but maybe restrict myself, try to push myself to go out more.
Well, yea I have been getting out of the house lately. I was desperate enough to go to a gay bar and let gay guys hit on me just so I could get some attention. But usually when I am out at a bar or something it just seems like such a waste of time, I sit there, I have a drink, I look at some people, no one talks to me. What am I even doing? I can't open. What am I going to say? Who wants to hear it. If people were interested in talking to me, wouldnt they open me? I wonder if guys ever get opened at all, or if its something only guys do to girls.

Oh I did stop playing video games btw, been about two months now cold turkey. Still been looking at porn sometimes. I am going crazy without something to occupy my mind, but I have been going out more.
See when I dont jerk off I just start feeling lonely and desperate, I dont feel aggressive at all. I just feel like I need a hug, like its been so long since I have had human contact. I get desperate, and then I start feeling like I wanna kill myself or pay for it.
Ok, but like what though? What should I do that people will find interesting? Especially girls, what do they wanna talk about... what should I do that will be interesting to them.
Well this is how I see it: I want to enjoy my life. I enjoy having sex. I dont enjoy talking. I spent lots of time already doing things I dont want to do, I dont want to do MORE of things I dont want to do, I dont have the time for it! And just like you say, if I should be spending time doing interesting things, why would I want to waste time talking to girls? They make horrible friends. Guys like video games and boxing and dirt bikes and all that, and they pay for themselves, what the fuck do girls do besides sit around talking, avoiding talking to guys and waiting for guys to just spend money on them? Its simple cost to benefit ratio analysis, if I am gonna talk to anyone, I would talk to a guy because I know I would enjoy myself with them. Girls have nothing to offer me but sex. God forbid they open me and prove otherwise.
Would you expect me to just start liking stabbing myself too? Am I gonna have to learn to enjoy stabbing myself? Thats about how painful this talking stuff is to me, especially when it goes wrong. Girls dont deserve the chance to hurt me like that.
I dont even know what it is you expect me to fix. I feel like I have come to a very logical conclusion. It seems others are in agreement with paying for it, but working on it too.
THAT is what I want. I have never seen it or felt it though, never felt like a girl liked me. I dont know if I ever will feel that way, or if anyone will actually like me for anything but my money. I mean, if someone liked me, they would talk to me right?