Night sarging has become a nightmare.

For the past few months, I've been fairly busy with my personal life. Since I hadn't been going out as much I didn't realize that the balance of power has shifted.

The ratio of guy-to-gal is unbelievable. In the bars in my town even the ugliest girl will have multiple suitors. At worst there will be about 10 guys for every girl. Their egos are just unbelievably puffed up. My wing (one of my good friends) has been going through some weird life shit too and so he's become sort of a nuisance to go out with.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what to do in these types of situations? Should I just give up night game altogether?

_________________
The ultimate lesson of psychoanalysis is that human life is never "just life": we are possessed by the strange drive to enjoy life in excess, attached to a surplus which derails the ordinary run of things.
-Slavoj Zizek

I know that feel.

Anyway, editing my post to at least add something of value (I hope). I wouldn't say to abandon night game, but you may want to explore other avenues of meeting women to increase your chances of scoring. On the other hand, try not to be discouraged because you're armed with more game than most of the guys there (I believe).

As far as other avenues, have you considered Karaoke? I haven't yet, but I remember watching something on MTV (there was nothing on tv) about Man Code Violations or whatnot. One of the violations was Karaoke and that it's not manly to go to such a place, and that the only reason to go is if your girlfriend or Female friends drag you there.

That got me thinking: maybe it would be a decent place to pick up women since many men feel that way. You could also demonstrate higher value by going up on stage to sing since you're the center of attention for a brief moment. I imagine that even if you're not a great singer, you may catch some chick's eye and may even get approached by her.

_________________
"You ain't accustomed of going through customs. You ain't been nowhere, huh?"

With these odds it's important to be different. Whatever those 16 dudes do (they probably approach the girls and get rejected), do something else. I would try to get a spot in the bar quite close to the girls, without approaching them. Just stand there, drink your beer, and watch how guys approach them. After a rejection, you can throw a comment about it to her. Say something that builds rapport, like "it must be tough to go out if you are a girl, with all that attention" (still without approaching her, just stand there and enjoy your beer). As you demonstrate that you don't want anything from her, she will feel more comfortable around you than around the other guys, and the game is on.

Yes! Thank you.

I know that sounds out of left field, but you just reminded me of what it is that I'm forgetting to do.

_________________
"You ain't accustomed of going through customs. You ain't been nowhere, huh?"

ever heard of daygame? you really should try it. bars are the worst place ever for pick up.

Try to read that post as "I can't pickup at bars, therefore I believe bars are the worst place ever for pickup."

That being said, there is no reason not to try everything. Daygame, nightgame, social circle, online, these are all avenues that can lead to results. In finance, it's called diversifying; each type of game has its own drawbacks and benefits, so the least risk is taken if you engage in all four, to varying degrees based on your preferences, personality, and LOCATION.

_________________
These hos ain't loyal

there's also things called stupidity and efficiency. you should look the meaning.

The indirect approach is more of a long term mating strategy. It's not your "Get laid this very night" type of mindset that most generic, beginning PUA literature promotes. I tend to go for a mix between aggressive and passive-aggressive but in my town I'm still getting blown out of the water by guys that I'm fairly certain aren't getting laid either.

Everyone has heard of daygame, but this is what I learned from watching some daygame example video: The instructor was like "Yes, I got her number, but I honestly doubt anything will happen. She's so attractive that she probably has a line up of men just constantly going after her. My chances are slim."

_________________
The ultimate lesson of psychoanalysis is that human life is never "just life": we are possessed by the strange drive to enjoy life in excess, attached to a surplus which derails the ordinary run of things.
-Slavoj Zizek

Karaoke is the WORST place for pick up. Everyone is super self-conscious. I have it in my skill set to calm people down from that sort of neurosis. But still, it's always an uphill battle.

_________________
The ultimate lesson of psychoanalysis is that human life is never "just life": we are possessed by the strange drive to enjoy life in excess, attached to a surplus which derails the ordinary run of things.
-Slavoj Zizek

I don't know what you mean.

_________________
"You ain't accustomed of going through customs. You ain't been nowhere, huh?"

Realistically, your city must have more available women. There must be bars where the ratio is better. Find them. You're going to shitty bars. Do you guys really believe that in a few months either a ton of females have died, moved out (in much greater proportions that men) or have changed their lifestyles to NOT go to bars?

As far as night game vs day game, doesn't matter. But night game is more efficient for learning. Day game is more efficient for serious relationships/dating. A bar provides more sets to open and practice. If your town has so few women out, then do you think the women are going to the mall or other locations and staying in on the weekends? No. Better venues.

That's a limiting belief. I got laid several times in videoke joints. Fix your showmanship and you're good.

_________________
Approach. Open. Escalate. Isolate

Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

general-questions/topic137931.html