Asking this here as a reworded way of asking something from another thread.

There's these 2 strippers I know, S & J, both older than me, S is a 'spank me daddy, bad boy swinging, HB with sex on tap', and J is a 'treat me gently, sensual, erotica junkie who tells me I make her go to jelly'. I want to get both to see me outside of the strip venue but for more or less the opposite reasons. S I want to friend zone me or at least see me for any reason outside of the strip venue, J is really into me and is a few whispered phrases from gushing on my lap.

Until my last visit I treated both with lots of compliments and respect, which they both like me for, but obviously with S that's not her 'type' she likes rough bad boys. On my last visit I flipped the script on S and teased the fuck out of her so much that she danced for me for free just because I was denying her all of her usual attention (& giving it all to J). I'm fighting the urge to see S again so soon as we had been getting really personal via emails (before I teased the hell out of her) and was thinking some 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' might be called for.

I don't know if it complicates matters but they're both good friends and have had sex together. S is into mind games and power plays, where as J is just upfront and honest (as I like to be). J has already offered me her number but I actually forgot to take it (you don't need to tell me - I know I'm a dumbass) but I did then use it to further tease S by emailing her and asking for her to pass it on (checking with J first obviously). Lastly S told me 'in confidence' that J had been a prostitute in another country years back, I don't know whether I believe that or not, it could have been a test in many ways, so I'm ignoring that.

Thoughts?

Have you had sex with them?

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Thought that would be really obvious from what I wrote, but, no, we haven't had sex in their place of work, next to the bouncers, and other people waiting to use the private dance rooms.

It was the whole..."there is these 2 strippers I know...bla "

Apparently strippers can be met anywhere else, not just the strip joint...

To me, it just sounds they were just telling you what you want to hear, they probably hate each other and never had sex with one another...take what they say with a pinch of salt, they want your money

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They didn't tell me they had sex with each other, they did have sex with each other, on cam & invited me to watch it, they're both openly bisexual. Money is not a factor here. No offense but you're reading this completely wrong, also I wasn't really interested in an outside view of what is already happening, more a reply to what I actually asked: 'how to see them outside of the venue'. Again, not to be a dick but this is the 3rd or 4th time I've asked, I just want a reply that has read and understood the post, and can offer some useful advice. Thanks for trying anyway.

Did you think about what if you can't see your situation clearly?


I guess whatever I or anyone else say here,you will think that your situation is a very unique one(we love to believe in tales, even if they are not that fairy), but the truth (98% probabilty?) its actually very ordinary among these girls. I talked some of them and I have a friend who had a business in this area and both the prostitutes/strippers/masseuses and the owners/managers/pimps/? know most of their profits come from men that are not a one timer(basically go once then never go there again) but a regular client. Maybe 70% of their overall profit come from guy like you who goes there and hopes and believes every single words they say! So you can imagine they will do almost anything in order to make new regular clients and not let them for a long time and they do nasty shits to the man to trick into feeling loved, desired, respected and what the hell men want. They are humans yeah but I think they become very very resistant to feelings like love, because most of them had painful experiences when fell in love with a client but the client didn't want her or had family etcetcetc.

The 2 strippers have a very big advantage on you: they deal 500 men (almost) like you in a month, maybe more so they exactly know what you want to hear, see, feel, smell etc. They do their money from it for gods sake! They have to be good in this otherwise they are starving to death.



If you continue to believe in this crap,you can find yourself in a very tough and expensive situation.

Don't be blind, there are a lot of girls out there, choose wisely man!

"J has already offered me her number but I actually forgot to take it"

You can share this story. I cannot imagine a situation when I want someone's number and then she finally want to give hers but I forget about it lol. That's kind of WAT?


And the other story, they had sex is another thing that hookers and strippers like to say. If it happened somehow you saw them during their intercourse it is mostly business related too. Imagine: they love each other, had fun and furthermore they do good for business too. Best thing then and you will feel very unique because of this, but the truth is there's a big chance that they show that to 100+ other man.



Take care and watch out!

Good posts, but i get the feeling that he may get defensive again and start defend both of his fake girlfriends

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No, but it seems you believe you're answering the question, when you're really just critiquing the post, which isn't helpful or what I asked. The reason critiquing the post is pointless is because there are details you don't know about, (such as the first guy who believed that them having sex was just something they had said rather than did - I didn't say that this even mattered - and yes it was shown to lots of people - it was on a cam site that isn't related to them being strippers, I only added that information to establish how well they know each other, they also have other jobs, carpool and stay at each others flat at times - these are not stories that inspire men to spend any more/less money on them) the reason I haven't gone into all these extra details here is because I did in another thread and no one could be bothered to read it because it was too long.

J's number, she was about to dance, she offered it, we said we'd sort it out after the dance, after the dance I got another drink, she danced for someone else, I had a dance from someone else, I had another drink and was about to go home, she was still dancing for someone and I'd forgotten about it by then and walked out. When I remembered I emailed S, and said J had offered, check with her then pass on my email/number to her. (She's passed on other things to her before for me so this isn't anything out of he ordinary.) This isn't what I asked to discuss because it's irrelevant.

The question, again, is how to see them outside the strip pub. Any specific DHV's or groundwork need laying or just ask them outright. S is in SHB territory but I'm reluctant to neg her because she wasn't always, she reacted pretty strongly when I took her attention away.

Ok.

We see what your question is, or at least I see.


If you ask us what to do there's even little chance that you can do anything with them except work. They are professionals and you are out of your mind a bit. It's not a good combo. Why not try ordinary women?


It is hell easier to pay them for sex than to start gaming with them. Most strippers will fuck, if the client is somewhat sympathic to them. So give it a try.

Not sure I understand the way you've worded some of that first bit...

Could you clarify 'out of my mind a bit' For trying? Just because they're strippers? Because I write a lot of shit? lol.

Yeah they're doing a job, and I'm not sure if this will help explain it better - but they're not American super star showgirl strippers, they're British strippers who get their tits out in the pub for £1 - they're more grounded/down to Earth, basically they're real people first and strippers second (they still get guys bugging them non stop of course, not saying they don't, but they don't have their shields up with me so much).

I essentially started going to this place about a year and a half ago, because the relationships I had been in (both with women with partners) ended, not badly, just ended due to other factors. And I though, fuck it, I can just pay for some tits in my face every now and then and that will be enough, and for a long time it was. Then I got quite into S, then J, I don't discount it purely because they're strippers. I freely admit I have no game and have had only a few tries but from what I've been reading (currently MM) out of attraction, comfort and seduction, comfort is there, seduction.. is kind of there because of the way you're allowed to touch them, there's a difference between real and fake gasps. They're bitching to me about other customers (that suggests professionalism is out of the window?) and telling me they're wishing they were dancing for me instead with some of the asshole shit they have to put up with I'm not surprised. They're getting paid anyway and its no object to me. If I saw them out of the pub I'd still go and see them for dances, because it's fun for me, they know that. If anything I'm friend zoned in the strip pub, just want to take it out of there to see what happens.

Why not try ordinary women? Ordinary women at my age are mostly with someone or with kids. I have zero social game if that makes sense (clubs/pubs) and my relationships have been with women that I knew well before hand, these strippers know me well before hand.

I actually saw her last night, tried the kiss routine, after a really long pause the answer was 'I'm not going to' I laughed it off and said that wasn't what I asked, then she said 'she's not against the idea', which I took to mean 'not here'(?) this was after a DHV story (at least that's what it was meant to be, I'm no expert) the previous time I saw her I was teasing the hell out of her (so much so she was relieved I hadn't gone off her when I spoke to her last night) I used the story to explain away why I was out of character, (through my work - which she knows about) I had saved a disabled guys life, in front of a group of primary schoolers, when I added in that a little girl had fainted, she gawped/jaw dropped.

They aren't fucking anyone for money.

But fuck it, if the only thing that can come from a community of experts reading this, is that it isn't worth trying because they're strippers, then maybe you're right.

Would have liked a few more varied opinions but if that's the consensus then fine, no problem.

Jeez, how often do you go to this strip club?

Seems like they have wrapped a 'regular' (you) around their little finger. I used to bang a stripper and they do indeed ask for guys numbers but not to fuck, they get them to pay for shit for them all the time...it's so beta and pathetic..

I suggest you write your number on a piece of paper and go in there one last time, if they contact you (without asking for money) then it may be on.

But to be honest, it sounds you're in love with them already and would defend their honour till the bitter end. I suggest you work on your game since you admit you don't have any game.

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I dont think its fucking strippers which is the problem, I think it is the story and the events that have led up to where you are now is the problem. How old are you and how old are they?

In my oppinion once you pay for it the game is over, unless you have a shit load of DHV.

Once or twice a month maybe since about January 2013.

I don't get what honour it is you think I've defended, neither of them are saints, all I've posted is what I know of them from the time I've spent there.
Story and events, how do you mean? Been a customer too long? Couldn't that work in my favour, as in they already have comfort around me.

I'm 31, S is 38ish, J I don't know late 30's/early 40's.