Quick question - I see a lot of guys have problems that I can relate to, but - what the fuck do you talk to girls about? I mean, I'm clueless. Recently I got a girl that I'd definitely go for attracted to me somehow - seriously, I'd never spoken to her before, and then she suddenly started chasing me around... So, I opened her by stealing her away from her friends and she was quite eager to come with me, and I number closed in ±2 minutes ... Yeah, I fucked shit up after that!!! It's safe to assume that I've never gotten ANY action whatsoever from ANY girl in my life, currently 23 years. Seriously, not even a kiss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, I know, read the subject text, don't remind me... So, I recently discovered that I do not know how to act around and or speak to women I'm attracted to and women in general - yes I'm a complete and utter social retard in every facet.

So - how the hell do you talk to women?

Then, just another thing: I think I might be super stupid too. I've read multiple books by authors including David DeAngelo, Mystery etc, and I just don't get it. It's like they ramble on and on about stuff but don't actually get to how the fuck you're supposed to do it. LIke for instance rapport - they tell you how important it is, the different types of rapport you get - but what they don't tell you is exactly what the hell it is and how the hell to build it. Am I the ONLY one who doesn't get it? And if so - is it safe to ask: should I give the fuck up right now?

Sorry, don't wanna bombard you with negativity but lately I've been thinking about this more than ever before and I'm just so fucking clueless when it comes to women it's ridiculous. I can guarantee whoever reads this post you've never seen anything as bad as me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if and or when you were at your worst you cannot ever and will not ever be able to match how much I SUCK!!!

Any advice will be appreciated - and please don't hold back - tell me how it is. If I should give up I will. If not, then please tell me how the fuck to fix myself. Best advice I've gotten so far is: It's never the girl's fault - YOU fucked up!!!!

LSR666

Yes.

Rapport is not just pick up term, use Google if you are unsure. It just means it is when 2 people are in sync with each other, just like how you would talk to your best friend.

Breaking rapport is something like teasing, surely you know what teasing is? That's just one example of many ways to break rapport.

If you're serious about your love life and want to get it handled, save up some money and book a boot camp with a decent company with good reviews.

Once you put money on the line, you're forced to learn it. Right now, you have given up with that defeatist attitude of yours. The field is key ,so don't get too obsessed by the theory. Just by approaching girls alone will get you laid even by accident from time to time.

Take it one step at a time.

If you can't afford a boot camp, approach strangers and ask for the time (then leave) until you get used to it.

Then next time, approach hot girls, then leave, then next time, tell them you like their dress and to have a nice day and then leave. So on and so on.

Taking it one step at a time like this will give you a good experience without putting too much pressure on your self.

Don't forget, you have online game you can try so you can see it safely behind your computer (just don't use it as a crutch) , speed dating.

Meet some wings too.

The information is out there, just go to Youtube and watch something like "simple pickup" channel, will help you a lot.

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Quick question? lol.

Nobody is a 'lost cause' you just need to figure out what works for you.

Don't wait until everything is just right. It will never be perfect. There will always be challenges, obstacles and less than perfect conditions. So what. Get started now. With each step you take, you will grow stronger and stronger, more and more skilled, more and more self-confident and more and more successful.

I'm guessing you do not approach many girls?

Start.

So fucking what if you get shot down, learn from that!

Lose your FEAR, it's the only thing holding you back.

You posted this in 'sticking points' what is your exact point you are stuck at?

You were doing well with one, then you say you fucked it up? HOW? ...DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT.

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My sticking point is everything ... But for starters approaching opening having a conversation ... Then the rest follows ... im seriously the most clueless guy you've ever and will ever come across when it comes to girls! !!!

I screwed up by being too scared to talk to her after I got her number and running away from her like a little wuss and then texting her like a wuss and asking her out via texting like the wuss I am and she never responded ... ive avoided her ever since ... worst of all is she's exactly everything I wanted in a girl so yeah I'm thinking one of two things: I should give up now and just ignore it when someone shows interested Coz I'm gonna Fuck it up before it begins or I need to find someone who's willing to help...

Thanks for ignoring my post

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1st off quit being such a PUSSY!

There is plenty here that would help, but you must listen, like Pebble there, you completely blew his advice off!

Time to stop acting like a school boy and grow the fuck up and handle this.

Start here:

vic-s-hardcore-newbie-challenge-vt169477.html

newbie-challenge-vt13567.html

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Okay - 1st of all - everything Pebble said is copied and pasted into a document on my commuter for daily viewing so just coz I didn't respond to that doesn't mean I blew off his advice, don't jump to conclusions. I was asked a question and I replied to it - hence my second post. Second of all thanks for the advice Pebble - as I said above I copied and pasted it in a word folder so I can read it whenever I want to without having to log on to the forum. Thirdly, thanks for the links I'm gonna check them out - and I know I should quit being a wuss but that's much easier said than done!

Good, now if you need any one off advice, feel free to ask away. Stepping out of your comfort zone is never easy, but has the most reward.

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Oh then just another thing - you said breaking rapport is something like teasing. I know what teasing is, but since I've got no fucking clue how to speak to women I won't be able to tease them either - at least not without getting fucked up some way or another in the process. When I say I don't know how to speak to women, I mean I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEAK TO WOMEN AT ALL. I've been told that confidence is the name of the game - and as you can imagine I have fuckall of that in the first place. Then again, confidence is "earned" by being successful so my being unsuccessful lately has had a major effect on me to the point where I asked should I give the fuck up before I start. I mean, it kinda sucks coz I saw this chick with another guy and it was a major low blow and there's only one person in this entire world I can blame and that is ME. Not sure I wanna go through that again ... EVER.

Look I don't know you guys and I really appreciate the tips and help since you've got no obligation to do so - and as for first impressions I think it's safe to say that both of you can tell that I suck at being social since my first impression sucks... My bad...

Heywood Jablowme - you said that no one is a lost cause - do you still stick to that theory after "meeting" me? And where and how should I start to fix myself since I feel I need to work on myself first before I even attempt approaching anyone especially girls? My non-existing confidence is so transparent that even if I was the best actor in the world anyone and everyone would still be able to sense it no matter how well I fake it. Do I start immediately with the newbie challenge then? Or is there another process I must follow first before I attempt to speak to girls?

Breaking it down to the lowest denominator, I believe your largest confidence deflation comes from fear!

Fear Of Rejection!
This is what shows me that.

Seriously now Bro, what pain did this cause you?

Trust me Bro, your not a minority here in that aspect, more the NORM!

Most men fear rejection because it lowers their self esteem. But there is really no reason to lose any confidence when women say "no" because they aren't really rejecting you. How could they be rejecting you when they don't even know what you're all about?

That's why I sent you the links.

Once you get it in your head how ridiculous minor rejection is, you will overcome that fear.

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Dude, I got a friend with one leg that just fucks strippers all the time. His leg killed his confidence, but he put in the graft and hard work

and your only worried that you have no confidence...

You haven't even at least tried.

Learn the material. Try it. THEN make a post.

you just want sympathy and hope some PUA wizard will turn you into a lady killer.

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So in other words: do the newbie challenge from the get-go...

sympathy I don't want although I can see why you'd say that (my pathetic wussy post) but I won't deny that I'd love for a pua wizard to turn me into not me.

so start I've gotta do now is study what's been given including the tips you have me and go out and apply them...

okay so I'll get back to you guys in a few weeks to report back...

im also guessing that the only way to get over the fear is to actually go ahead and do whatever is causing it? Like approaching girls getting rejected and getting sort of immune to it?