One other related thought, she would have never ever put in those four magic words 'but you never know' if she wasn't open to fwb on some level. No accident those words are in there. May be too late with this one but what is there to lose; nothing.

I'll give her a call tomorrow night when I'm out and see if shes up for it. Like you said, nothing to lose. Plus going to get more numbers tomorrow anyway

I don't really understand where your coming from?
I did make a move, well k-closed both nights and attempted to f-close her but its a week day and she had work at half 7.30am both times. Plus I wanted to get to know her better this time, I thought she was a little bit different than my usual girls and I wanted to see if this could lead to a relationship. So did you mean me getting so keen after two dates was the main point of failure? I agree with you there, I atleast shouldn't have shown it.

I normally would have left it alone, but something about this girl makes me want to try again. Should I wait a while or just hit her up when I'm out tomorrow night with a straight forward booty call?

I sometimes wonder if people on this forum get women AT ALL.

She INITIATED a conversation with you about you and her after only a couple of dates.

How often do women INITIATE conversations like that?

You've got a high level of investment. That's all that counts. She's putty in your hands. Like Eddie said, if you can be the leader, she's yours for the taking.

Don't listen to the people saying she doesn't like you or that you've blown it. I assume that's why Eddie was telling you to phone her right away. She WILL go off the boil if you fuck about debating on internet forums instead of taking what's rightfully yours, but that's what you seem determined to do, so...

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Dude I wouldn't put it to her so factual like that "you up to fuck?" I know you weren't going to say it like that but already once she has given you a semi-favorable reply to your FWB question I wouldn't push it. Instead, tell her something like 'you know we were talking about nostrings, i'm not really that kind of person usually either." Meet up w/ her again, u can tell her in any case that you have to see her at least once more anyway. Any reason to get to a private location where you can close.

A good mix of advice here guys thanks. I still have allot to learn about stuff and its good to have some positive feedback, thanks

Can someone explain to me how this is a test or a fwb invite?

If a test, then you're saying she wants him to chase her. Isn't chasing especially 2 dates in, against the "cool whatever" vibe for most "tests"?

If this is a fwb invite I'm not seeing it. She didn't mention "remaining friends" which would have been a good way to make things casual. Not saying she may not be up for fwb, but that doesn't seem to be her original motive.

More details? In reading her original text, she mentions not being able to give you the attention you deserve. Subtext is you need attention. Where did you meet her, how much have you been communicating with her? If it was alot she may have gotten the idea you were getting serious quickly and pressuring her. Also on the dates when you went for the f-close, what was the situation? If she could tell you were trying to have sex and you didn't she could be thinking you only want sex.

The way I read her first text is that she's uncertain, she's vulnerable, and she's guarding herself against being hurt.

The fact that she has sent such a serious text so early on indicates her high level of interest.

It's a test because she wants to see if he will let her go or if he will fight for her.

The OP offers her rapport, kisses her arse slightly and then rather cheekily tries to score an FWB.

I read her next response as being disappointed with his response. "I'm just not at that place right now" makes it sound like he has strengthened her resolve to keep her distance slightly, perhaps because his text didn't convey the same level of seriousness she was feeling.

"I'm a bit of an all or nothing kinda girl" is perhaps the tell-tale statement of the whole thing. That seems to me like her speaking from the heart, where the first text was less honest. I think where she's talking about losing her freedom and "giving him the attention he deserves", she's talking about commitment, and it sounds like that's what she wants.

The fact that she said "you never know" to the FWB thing despite the fact this obviously isn't what she wants suggests to me that she likes the OP a lot and is, in a non-cynical way, trying to keep him around because she wants it to work.

My reading is that she likes the OP a lot and that she doesn't want to get hurt or messed around. Again, the "all or nothing kind of girl" bit suggests to me fairly strongly that she wants commitment. Maybe she's scared of making that commitment and getting in too deep, hence why she's trying to give him an out. But that doesn't mean she doesn't want him to take control and make a relationship happen.

"I agree that you should continue doing your own thing, but I think you should do it with me "

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She did actually mention being friends and going for coffee at the end of the original text, but I rebuffed it because I wasn't wanting to let myself be put in the friend zone so I added the no strings attached thing so she would know that.

Doesn't matter anymore I messaged her last night but no reply yet so I will just leave it at that and move on today. I will drop in on her in a couple months to see if she might be a bit more open then

Well this might have changed the meaning of the whole thing. Why didn't you post the whole text so we could comment accurately?

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I don't have it anymore or I would, my phones fucked and cant cope with allot of messages so it is long gone, I described it as best I could remember

At the end of the day man; women are emotional currents. They're uncertain and will often feel different things within minutes from each other and mistake them both for reality. Nothing they say while in the context of emotion should ever be taking as Law. It should be considered, but not built upon. And this is why your position(a man) in her life is so important.

You provide her with a rock, a strong foundation that won't change as often as she does. And because of this she can depend on you to give her clarity as to what she should feel.

I really want you guys to get this man.. If a woman is trying to lead that means that you weren't doing your Job in the first place so she had no reason but to do it for you. And she hates doing it so much that she no longer wants to be intimate with someone who's making her do things she hates. But if you just snap back into character, so will she.

These so called PUA's teach you to MOVE ON MOVE ONE; which has its point at times, but if you're constantly moving on at the sight of discomfort, how will you actually learn how to deal with women when shit gets tough? Thats a loser mentality. Do you quit every job whenever you boss questions your ability to do it? Or do you come to work sharper the next day and show him you belong?

Running away like that will lead to a lot of loneliness. Just go ask some of the older PUA's. Figure this shit out first and then move on if you want. Don't go out like some loser that can't handle a rough situation. Be a leader bro. I can't emphasis that enough.

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That made allot of sense man thanks, I'll leave it till the weekends done (out with the boys tonight) then I'll just act like nothing happened, except I probably won't text her as much this time round, I think me getting to comfortable with her too fast is prob what caused her to think again. If nothing comes of it then I'll just leave it. I'm definitely going to get a few numbers tonight though so that I have a bit of variety and won't be so concentrated on the one girl

I don't understand what you are doing in this situation. You texted her that you would talk later. Then you said here that you weren't going to contact her for months. Then you texted her something with no reply. Why didn't you just call her?

Because I know she was at a gig that night, so wouldn't answer. TBH I don't really know what I'm doing either, im just trying stuff out to see what sticks and what doesn't