Hey guys just got a question I'm having trouble finding the answer to and was wondering if anyone can help out.

So say, you open a girl and start talking a bit and she gets comfortable with the conversation after you say you like her shirt or whatever. How would you break Rapport from there and go into increasing attraction immediately?

For example, do you throw in little hoops after breaking rapport to qualify then eventually lead up to a big hoop? Or how does that specifically work?

You're going in advanced stuff now. If you're a newbie this shouldn't be your concern.

Here is a vid of me 'breaking rapport'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgxe-9ta1g

I don't do many routines, but this is more for self amusement but works great if you need to think of something on the fly...

alternatively, you can make fun of the girl in a jokey way, Just like how you would tease your sister.

Just don't be a friendly guy. Make her feel uncomfortable. It helps with sexual tension.

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I'm a quick learner and I figure I might as well learn it, I been getting better at opening girls it's the after I am having trouble with, such as building attraction after breaking rapport and how to break rapport itself

Thanks for the video! I watched but it was kind of hard to follow, I saw some parts but could you explain it in a better way? It was kind of grainy and muffled since I watched it through my phone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhMAXQsm2fI
Adam Lyons demonstrating the same tecnique

Good find ^

Thanks, that is indeed the routine.

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Breaking rapport is really not about breaking rapport, which can be seen in the videos above (both guy and girl definitely has rapport all the time). Because if you would like to break rapport for real you could try a combination of the following, and see yourself fail completely:

1. Avoid eye contact.
2. Change your energy level far beyond the girl's. If she is low, go hyper-energetic. If she is high, try boring.
3. Change your body language to something that is completely different from the girl's. Maybe cross your arms, turn your body away from her, or something.
4. Talk with a different speed, tonality and loudness than her's. Even try to talk using words and phrases that she is not using herself - if she is upper class you can use ghetto slang, if she is lower class you can try being sophisticated and intellectual.

None of the above will have any positive effect on the interaction at all. "Breaking rapport" as used in the community is rather about taking a break from the conversation, doing something unpredictable and fun.

Not that I know anything, but...

Make sure you just do whatever you want at any given time, and don't try to do things you think you should be doing to get the fastest results.

If you feel like walking away, walk away.

If you feel like insulting her, insult her. You will usually find that you are going to turn it around on her.

For example, you could even say "I think you are really ugly... when you make that face like you're about to give birth to a triplet." Because you make a pause, it comes across as though you are making an unconditional statement about her ugliness. But in fact, you are not, because you proceed to qualify it in a way that she can hopefully laugh about.

When you say something negative in a conditional way, you give her a way to not be that.

It can even be done in reverse, like in the following snippet:

"When I stare deep into your eyes, I see the sea. ......I always get sick when I see the sea "

But if you said "I think you are really ugly when you make that face" it's not gonna be funny at all. And it fact it will be a dejected statement. There is no reason to ever say such a thing in that way. It would hold a negative intention.

Rather, say something that SOUNDS terrifyingly negative and then turn it around into something funny. You will definitely win her over if you can be your self like that. A good player is not afraid to voice his opinions.

Remember: if you do good things with a bad intention, they will suck.
If you do bad things with a good intention, they will rule.

We all know about smiling and complimenting when the timing is completely off, it comes across as needy and creepy. These are "good things" with "negative intentions".

I can guarantee you that there is not a single 'good' thing that cannot ruin things when done wrongly.
And there is also not a single 'bad' thing that cannot heal things when done rightly.

As seducers you are accustomed to this principle. You are basically the only people in the world who are 'professionally' accustomed to that principle.

Remember: to achieve the best result in any given situation you need both "good tools" and "bad tools".

In seduction, the "bad tool" is called the disconnect or the push. You push her away (threaten to break rapport). The "good tool" is called the connect or the pull. It is what puts the disconnect into perspective. And renders it beautiful.

Examples are, for instance...

The first time you meet a girl, you compliment her on her looks.
The second time, you say "do you look that good without make up as well?"
Even though these actions are spaced apart in time, they are tied together. If she accepted the compliment with grace, she is then committed to you finding her pretty. You have created some goodwill with her, some credit. The second statement would be folly without that goodwill. But because she has already given you some love, she is going to accept your negative statement and she does not want it to ruin the rapport.

So you can continue "I'd really love to see you without make up some time." If she accepts that in one way or another, you are opening the path towards meeting up with her somewhere, and her investing in you (doing what you want).

Any time a girl does what you want, it is ka-ching. Because your job is to get her to submit to you. A girl only submits to you if she can trust you. Trusting you means trusting that you will make good choices for her. That she can surrender to your will in safety. That means you are committed to giving her what she needs. What she wants. (Not the things necessarily, that she says she wants).

A girl craves emotional roller-coasters. So you need to toy with her. She is basically a toy. Toying always requires push-pull or connect-disconnect.

These principles can result in dramatic actions with otherworldly results. There is no limit to what you can achieve. If you appear to do (to be doing) something extremely negative ("bad") and then completely turning it around (proving that you can in fact be totally trusted) you will gain the upper hand on her because every time you get away with something 'bad' you obtain the privilege of doing that same thing whenever you want, for the rest of eternity.

If that 'bad' thing is e.g. rape, or any form of sexual assault, or theft, or whatever you can imagine, then she will subsequently enjoy these things (as she knows it is not the 'real' thing) because she feels safe with you knowing that you would not actually want to harm her.

Which enables you to fulfil her every desire and dark fantasy that she could ever have had.

And it would not be in an agreed "play" setting (the way SM rules dictate "explicit mutual consent") but rather in an emotional power relationship in which you dominate her to the benefit of both of you.

But always remember that it is your task and your duty to take care of her to the best you can, to make sure she is safe, understood, respected, given food and drink, warmth, rest, whatever she needs. You don't leave a girl out in the cold. That's just my perspective.

All the same, you basically walk out on her when she tries to dominate you. That is, you will not accept her domination because her dominating you is not what she wants, it does not satisfy her emotional needs.

Always remember this rule: Either the guy dominates the girl, or the girl dominates the guy. When the guy fails to dominate her, she will seek to dominate him.

The infamous "I have a headache so we can't have sex" is the typical example of a girl dominating a guy. That doesn't make the girl happy..

A girl can only completely relax under the wing of a guy. It frees her from her chaotic mind, from the requirement to constantly make choices for herself. Girls who are not dominated properly end up worrying about a million things and feeling insecure. Perhaps you have some time felt that "that girl needs a good hard fuck". Then you know what I mean.

Respect your self, and you will respect her self. Do not allow yourself to be treated like doormat. Do not trail her like a puppy. If she wants to be with you, she'll have to accept your rules.

The other day some lesbian girl who has been dominating me a bit (thinks she's a guy) turned down our agreed having dinner at her place, by saying "Not tonight, we have guests." I stayed polite, but then she stopped responding to my questions/messages on SPAM. That is to say, to the last message I sent.

The next week, she showed up at the place she knew she could find me. She said hi and then waited for me down the corridor. But I let her wait, I went into the living room and had more tea. She left without me.

Her attempt was to dominate me again. She expected me to obey her wishes and follow her as she wanted. But when I didn't walk after her, the end result was that SHE had been walking after ME. That's the experience we both ended up with. Instead of humiliating me, she now feels humiliated herself. Which puts her in the proper place.

In closing, this is the line I want to use on her when the time is right: "It's too bad you are not really all that hot, but then, you're a lesbian so it doesn't matter, does it? "

This line is a push-pull. "You're not attractive" but "if you were not a lesbian, I'd fuck your brains out". So I'm saying "I want you" and "I don't want you" at the same time, which is the whole essence of the push-pull mechanism.

It is similar to the line "The things I wouldn't do to you if we weren't just friends." or "You cannot even begin to imagine.... the things I wouldn't do to you.... if we weren't just friends."

Or "If I wasn't gay, I'd be seriously making out with you right now." "But you aren't gay, are you?" "No, I'm not." Replace "making out with you" with "dragging you off to my man cave" for due effect.

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Good luck.

So making her feel awkward and uncomfortable helps with sexual tension? Are you for fucking real. The only sexual tension you'll get from that is when you inevitably end up going home alone for a pathetic, little wank. Why do you dudes think that insulting girls, playing hard to get then being nice, then being horrible then being nice again is going to make her like you? Why do you always want to confuse and belittle them? That's not how a MAN behaves but a stupid, childish, fucking jerk. It's almost like you get a massive kick out of humiliating them. Who the fuck would want to be with someone like that?

You all talk endlessly about girls playing mind games yet I bet most of them don't. It's you sick fucks who are doing it. No wonder you can't keep or even have relationships with girls because you're all so fucking screwed up in the head. You never let things flow naturally but are forever jumping from one thing to another. You tie your dumb ass brains in knots and then have the fucking nerve to come on here complaining that you don't know where you are with her.

Fucking priceless man!

Uh oh

One too many shandy's for digital spy. I hope you're not gonna use capitals, yikes. Obviously you're twisting the context, as you can see in the video, they were all laughing and enjoying it. Not like I was negging ,calm down

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digital_spy is a woman and I cannot be swayed... even if its a dude with a dick, he's still a woman. That is all.

@Pebble:

It's clear you're trying to manipulate her though, but that's true of almost every pick up video I've seen.

And girls can often be manipulated that way.

But Digital Spy is right about one thing.

Even supposedly "great" PUAs like Gambler and this forum's Brad are clueless about some things that should be common sense.

Brad once wrote an email complaining about some girl who was seeing other guys behind his back. In his eyes, this 'infidelity' made her less-than-girlfriend material. Meanwhile, these guys think they have the right to do the very thing they complain about. Double standards.

Richard la Ruina writes in his book about a girl he meets in the street while giving training to some guy one-on-one. It turns out to be the most attractive girl (in terms of personality) that he's every met. He ends with

"Since that they I've always emphasized that there are some girls who never go to clubs and who you can only meet in the daytime. If you never do day game, you'll never have a chance to meet these gems."

Well, let me reveal something to you. The very best girls, at least from my perspective, usually don't go clubbing. They go to concerts and festivals and cultural activities revolving around their lifestyle choices. They don't have getting drunk as their favourite pastime. They don't have fake boobs and fake skin and whatever you can call it. They read. Or they have cool hobbies. They enjoy quality stuff, not clubs.

That's just my perspective, but this A-class PUA trainer turns out to be pretty clueless when it comes to real people.

He also writes about how you are supposed to "distract her logical mind" as you guide her to your place. Basically that means keeping her confused and uncertain about what is the right thing for her to do, so you can coerce her to do what you want. It's making use of her lack of confidence, her insecurities.

That's also what is happening in the video. It feels very unnatural and nervous to me.

I personally do not try to seduce anyone. I try to bestow gifts on people. It is not about what I get. It's about what she gets (or he, in a different context). And I'm not in a hurry. I want to be valuable to people. I want to be there when she is ready to receive something from me. She can only receive as much as she is willing to receive. But in time, her cup may become bigger and bigger. At first she may only be able to receive a thimble worth of love. In the end, she could receive bucketfuls.

All the same, I'm worthless to anyone if I don't have any self respect. I can understand that a vision of wanting to dominate women can look completely off the mark. But if it looks that way to you, you don't understand much. And you will go through life being dominated by women instead. Just observe.

Typically it's the girl who decides when and how to have sex. And it doesn't satisfy her. But I'm wasting my breath.

Dryden

I understand what you're saying. Thankyou for not being a total cunt with the reply.

the girl in the video had a boyfriend, not like I slept with her. I used to use that sort if stuff when I was frigging child in school. Even on girls too. I didn't even make the video.

I don't know why something like this has got so deep.

I think you guys should at least answer the OP's question to the thread instead of focusing on me who was just to help to get away from FRIENDZONE which in is itself is an popular accidental self manipulation behaviour that pretty much breaks a lot of guys heart's.

I don't claim to be an expert. I just know, teasing her and stuff like that helps. I didn't even mention club game or anything

I'm kind of anti PUA too, (that's right I am indeed)

I guess this thread still doesn't have answer , feel free to give the OP one

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It's Digital Spy's time of the month again. Time to change your tampon, babe! You're on here just as much as us "sad fucks". Such anger. Much rage.

The key to real debate is to offer an alternative, instead of simply saying the opposite. That's your problem. I know it's hard to remain positive when your boyfriend is more interested in fresh wet vagina than your stinking old fish-flaps, but you never bring anything positive to the table. You're being a purely negative person.

Give us a guide on how to pull. If you're such an expert, I'd love to find out how you pull girls...
...Oh wait, you've had the same girlfriend for 10 years and you're still in your 20's. Or was it 5 years? You keep changing your story every time you post.