Hey guys,

I usually go out with friends, but some nights they stay in and I figure it's better to go out alone than do nothing. However, when I go out alone, I feel like girls can tell even when I talk about my friends. Is it a serious DLV to do this? Do you guys think they can tell? Is it still better to go out alone than not at all?

Going out alone is not lower value. This is one of those things where it's a matter of shifting your perspective. Most people are too scared to go out alone, so often when a girl finds out you're out alone and sees that you're totally cool with it, like it's no big deal you just felt like going out for a drink and a chat... I mean that with get you respect. If you hold yourself well and aren't trying to impress them, it's actually a pretty cool thing to be able to go out alone. It takes a certain level of confidence, and I think most people realize that.

Dude there is absolutely nothing wrong with going out alone only if you believe there is. Most people go out in small wolf packs, which is the norm but if you are going out alone that shows confidence it is so cool as you going against the norm and I think girls dig that=DHV. When I'm out alone girls don't usually ask those kinds of questions as I socialize with people at the club venue and it's easier as they are less threatened, just imagine going out with your posse and your posse crowding around you when you are talking to a girl she will feel intimidated and at the same time she will think that you are not confident enough to talk to her without your friends. The only reason why I sometimes do prefer going out with friends is because they can put me in a good frame of mind and I always go back to them after every set. If you continue to go out alone it will become normal to you and your successes with women will improve. The thing is when I go out with friends I usually lose them and I go off and do my own thing.

A thing to bear in mind is DON'T BE THE GUY HOLDING THE DRINK JUST STANDING THERE WATCHING EVERYONE OR DON'T BE THE GUY WHO PRETENDS HE IS ON HIS PHONE- Girls will find you creepy and lonely. Go to the dance floor and dance your socks off, open sets, get rejected, socialize with people to build friendships, go to the bar chat to the staff or speak to the bouncer, have fun

Thanks guys. I am surprised to hear this but you probably have been doing this longer than I have; I am pretty new at it. Should I still talk about my friends even if I admit I am alone to try to DHV myself? Also, are you guys familiar with mystery method? I have been using it but am having some issues moving sets. I have heard the method is outdated. If so, is there a better method I should follow?

You don't have to admit you are alone and you don't have to talk about your friends just go out open sets, "Hi, my name is...." say that confidently or "Hey you, come here". Your opener does not matter but what does matter is the way you say it-your tone, body language etc

I read the mystery method when I first got into PU and I did not like ideas but I do respect the work he has done but his method did not help me. RSD (Real Social Dynamics) has some good content which you should check out they use more up to date techniques to get women but the only problem with them is that they behave very aggressively towards women. RichardLa Runia aka Gambler also has great content on YouTube his approach is more friendly. If you want to learn Daygame approaches watch simplepickup on YouTube. There is loads of free content online and content on this forum so do your research and you will find something. The only way you will improve is to go out it's 20% theory i.e. the content online, 80% first hand experience i.e. going out, you just apply the theory when going out sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Going out alone is great. The most important thing might be to have a good time.
You don´t have to talk about your friends. You can use another time constraint if you want to but that´s not necessary either.

The method depends on the venue you´re in. They won´t hear you if the music´s really loud. Just get to know different methods and then you can choose the tactics that best suit you.

I prefer going out alone. Noone else to blame if I fuck up except for myself.

For the past couple of months I've been going out alone in my new town and for me it has gone pretty good. Every time I've gone out to a club I usually have at least one girl approach me.

Thanks guys. I have 2 questions.

1. What if the girls ask you where your friends are? Do you ignore the question or just flat out say you are alone? And do they not care that you are alone? You guys probably know better than me. I just thought logically they would find it weird if you are alone.

2. Since I have tried using friend stories to DHV myself, what do you guys do specifically instead to DHV yourselves?

Please let me know, thanks.

"1. What if the girls ask you where your friends are? Do you ignore the question or just flat out say you are alone? And do they not care that you are alone?"
I would just tell the truth. I don't think anyone has cared.

"2. Since I have tried using friend stories to DHV myself, what do you guys do specifically instead to DHV yourselves?"
Hmm it's been a long time since I've tried to DHV myself. In general I just trust in the value of who I am, and I openly communicate about myself... In other words, I let the girl get to know what I'm all about. I don't really talk about my friends unless it's relevant to the conversation. It's likely you already have enough attractive qualities, you just need to learn to communicate them. Also it's always good to constantly be improving yourself and your lifestyle.

Thanks for the advice. I am really glad to hear that. I suppose I have read mystery method and, while I think he seems like a smart guy I have taken it too seriously maybe. I just assumed it would make me look bad, but I could see them respecting the honesty of being alone and seeing someone who does that as a person who takes initiative and doesn't just rely on their friends.

I also find it annoying with MM the way he makes it sound like you have to talk up yourself so much to make a girl like you. I would prefer not to brag at all. I'll give it a try and see what happens.

Going out alone from my perspective is great thing to do in terms of getting your game up
to the next level. Some guys actually can not game unless they are with their wings (let
alone their friends), or have to be a certain venues, feel a certain way, etc. This is all limiting
beliefs and holding you back from many opportunities. But it is harder if you have not done it
and if it puts you outside your comfort zone; I'd say do it!!!

For your first question, I ask a question. How many girls ask you this when you are with your
friends? I generally don't get asked this, and I generally approach myself and it's rare that I
go in with friends or wings. So it doesn't really matter. I would say, "I don't know, where are yours?".
Which, come to think of it, is not bad in figuring out logistics but that's a different story.

For your second question, it goes along with the first point. It doesn't matter. Find value in
yourself and be yourself. Know who you are and know that you have a lot to offer. The rest
will radiate over time. I think DHV comes from within. I do awesome things and keep myself
engaged in life and improving and exploring new things. That is DHV.

But I could have it all wrong...

Anyway, go out there and give it shot. You have nothing to lose and keep at it. I like to hear
what happens.

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Going out on your own and having no friends, not even one person you know with you, just screams weirdo. That's my opinion. It's ironic that if a girl was in a club or a bar on her own, a whole bunch of jerks would think she wants to fuck all of them. So to summarise, a girl on her own means she wants to get laid and a guy on his own is a fucking loser.

Or just don't look at it in terms of what value it is perceived as by other people.

Look at it in terms of practicality. OK, your choices are go out alone or stay in.

You stay in, what are you chances of meeting anyone? It's a no brainer. If you go out and approach alone then you have some chance, if you stay in you aren't approaching anyone.

What do you want to do? What do you enjoy more? The moment you start caring what the other person may or may not be thinking about you then you really do lose value. It shows through, you start trying to please, trying to fit in. If you enjoy going out alone then do it. If you enjoy approaching alone then do it. It's your world and you're there for YOU. If you bomb then so what? What have you lost? A bit of money getting into a club? Did you enjoy being there? You increased your chance of success by being out infinitely more than being at home did.

I go out alone all the time. I'm into music and I go to see a new band maybe twice a week. Inevitably it means I go on my own because that's just how it works out. If you are in the right environment then being alone is not weird unless you make it weird.

If you make it a thing about being out alone then yeah you seem weird especially if you start acting like you are not alone. It is NOT unusual to be out by yourself. Everyone has been in a bar or club on their own waiting for someone. Everyone has ended up somewhere on their own because they went to the wrong place or got their too early or whatever. Everyone has been in a new town for a couple of nights... did you sit in the hotel watching Discovery? If you want to make it weird then you can, if you want to not make it weird then you can.

I'm honest about it if I'm asked. I tell people my friends weren't available so I'm not sitting at home. I've NEVER had a bad experience with it. If anything, people in general usually say that it's pretty cool to feel comfortable enough to do it. In fact, I've had more than a few women say something along the lines of "wow, I'd never be confident enough to do that". When you start making crap up about friends and why you are there you start spluttering and stumbling through it. And you WILL get caught out sooner or later.

I see it all the time. Guys go into somewhere on their own and do EXACTLY the same thing. They buy a drink, stand by the bar or against a wall, pretend to be looking at stuff on their phone. They stand there with terrible body language, terrible positioning, pretending to look around as if they are waiting for someone, all too often trying to sink into the background. Everyone notices everyone, whether consciously or not. It's highly likely that you will have been assessed and when you later approach you bomb because something says in the girl's mind either weak or predator. She may not know why.

I don't pretend for anyone. I go out, I have a good time. I move around. If I have to stand anywhere then I stand just off centre of the place (this is in music venues as it's where I tend to be out alone mostly, bars/clubs are a bit more fluid). Never against a wall or at the bar. One thing I discovered works very well is to take up space. Guys never sit at tables alone, they always stand out the way, they have to be near or against something too. But just sit down, spread out, I like to put my arm across the back of a spare seat. It's subtle but women notice, you get looks, you get smiles that you wouldn't get otherwise. I don't know why it works, I guess it's a combo of strong body language, territorial pissing and just saying I don't care, I've every right to be here and know how to enjoy myself without being propped up by others. I also don't know if it works for everyone but it does for me.

Go out to simply enjoy being out. When you feel comfortable you will start to perform better. Get used to it, start to believe that you should be there. People on their own too often try to excuse themselves for everything.

"Wow," I was going to post this exact question. I AM going out alone tonight, I kept calling it "fuc**** with people" but yeah its just socializing.
I'm printing this LizardKing.This advice is priceless Thank you.

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