Hey fellas! For those who haven't got the book or the DVD:

1 ) I never take a woman's first response to me as written in stone
2 ) They can do whatever they want; I control where my energy goes
3 ) Anything they offer me is a toy for me to play with
4 ) Anything they offer me is just information I can use
5 ) Fundamentally, women are good people
6 ) Most women are highly sexual anyway
7 ) 90% of women are running on autopilot 90% of the time
8 ) Some women in some contexts believe they have a license to be a cunt

Beliefs can open or close:
- Awareness
- Flows of energy

Beliefs can control:
- excess to level of ability and skill

hope it helps

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a friend of mine wont follow rosses stuff. he says that he feels dirty or like hes taking advantage of someone by using rosses NLP stuff. me personally, no imformation is bad, only the use of it is bad.

you have to see it like this:

you have a piece of gold which nobody else can show her...you only use the information she gives you, that's not unnatural or bad to her...you can make her feel like she's never felt before, is that bad?

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Ross Jeffries' stuff is pretty powerful and is effective too. I don't think NLP is bad at all. Just learn different methods from different people and put them all together.

And back to the topic, what does it mean when it says that "beliefs can open/close flows of energy"?

Well what Ross Jeffries does is kinda like hypnotic manipulation. He does the same things they do in those ads to sell you stuff. Like they will associate hot sexy chick with slim sexy camera. Ross also goes further and creates feelings of attraction in women by the use of NLP exercises and mneumonic linguistic routines. So in essense, he is telling them to be attracted (or hypnotizing) instead of doing things that are attractive like Mystery and David D.

NLP is shyte

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Any form of interaction is NLP. Some people just get better at it than others and we blame them for being evil, manipulative etc. In the end, the woman still CHOOSES to sleep with you.

Besides, NLP'ers don't care about what's right, they care about what works

soo tru

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I agree with MilknMuffins. We should be modelling our games on Mystery and the like. It helps you not just improve with seduction but in life as well. Ross Jefferies' speed seduction is like the get-rich-quick form of sarging.

call me naive but what are the main difference with RJ's stuff and the stuff shared on here. am i right in thinking sometimes they over lap? RJ likes to condemn his rivals, does he condemn some of the stuff on here. ive watch a few of his dvds and it does make sense but it requires you to get the tonality of your voice spot on and he doesnt operate in nightclubs/bars which doesnt fill me with confidence when i'm in a bar if RJ dismisses them.

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i'm into what you can be, if you want to be.
it's a way of living !

NLP is really awesome and everyone that does down talk it knows little or nothing about it. It has many uses other than just pick-up.
Saying it's good or bad is just how you use it, then again good and evil is only a point of view.
I think SSers from a women's point of view would be some mysterious man that is some how able to make them feel ultimately amazing, through his wise words and abstract little games.(games as in like the visual guiding in the october man and other sequences).
When you're attracted to someone, do you know why?(you probably don't) and then again if you're like every other human you'll not even ask yourself that. Same thing with women, they feel extremely attracted to the SS, but they don't care to question why.

But I think combining all PU stradegies is more effective than using just one. Which I think just about everyone is doing. Everyone has it's strong and weak points. SS is strong in comfort, and especially the seduction stages of course!