Great Post...


But I will like to add my opinion; I have seen the same reaction in average guys. When they are in a relationship, they start loosing contact even with their friends.

And this happens because they are going into the girl circle (this is good, to expand your social circle) but this guys just go out to the places she want, they go out only with her friends, etc... letting the guy's social circle die...

I have met people that after they broke up with a LTR they don't even had friends because they stop going out together when he had a GF etc...

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I can say that unfortunatly this happened to me. Stopped chilling with my buddies cuz I was with my girl alot, and wen i wasnt i just needed time for myself and neglected my friends. They pulled sorta an intervention on me but it was too late, they dont wanna room with me next year (well hey do now, but its a bit late).

So my girl ended up breaking up with me and I was crushed. But Im soooo glad it happened. It made me realize that life needs to be balanced. you can have a g/f but and have friends and a life of your own. And i figured out that if she isnt cool with it, then she isnt for me. I also look at gamin as much more than seducing women. Im a businessman, or student SPAM. But I do alot networking and basically sarging for contacts that my help me when I graduate. The applications for the game can go along with any social situation.

Obviously Im not going to seduce someone who is inerviewing me (maybe if its a she) but ive learned just better social interaction skills that make dealing with people alot easier.

Ive made huge steps in the past month with the game and with my life. And I know the next time I enter a LTR I wont be putting her as number 1 priority all the time. Balance is key, you will be happy if you are balanced.

And as far as still building up a social circle while in a relationship, if I had done that, I probably wouldnt have felt so alone when it ended.

Yeah the only reason I decided to write this was be most of it happened to me first hand...a few time too for that matter.

First, I want to say great job to the OP for making this thread.

I have been studying this subject for a number of years. In fact, I am in the process of writing a book about it (see the link below). It is the reason why I joined this PUA forum in the first place.
Sometimes, it's good to go back and reminisce on the old times. Kind of like seeing an ex-girlfriend after a long while
This is a very good idea if you're interested in basic relationship psychology. Nothing beats first-hand experience, and upon reflection, it's amazing to see how you felt during those times.
This usually occurs because he doesn't know how to handle a "serious relationship".
Women have a tendency to do this more so than men. That is why they tend to "settle" after a while. They eventualy realize how unhappy they are and eventually get a divorce (that's what we do in America at least).
Could not have said it any better!
People who fall into this category do not view Pick-Up as a networking skill, but rather a means to find a relationship, or find sex (once they reach their objective, they lose sight of everything else.)
I see how you can make an argument for this, but it is not necessarily true. Women who "hang out with the guys" also have a tendency to view them as off-limits, even if her own relationship falls apart. Most guys respect their friends enough to back off as well. Having morals and boundaries really sucks sometimes!
I don't really see the coherence in this. I think you're meaning to say that Natural guys who are in a relationship have more options than PUAs who are single. . .And I could definitely agree with you.

As for the following poster:
I think this is the foundation of all successful relationships. Those who can balance their 'work, social, girlfriend, etc.' life are usually the most satisfied in a relationship.

This is a great thread! Feel free to PM me if either of you want to talk about this some more.

All the best,

Jay Wa

Shit thanks for the feedback...
I think the "friendzone" isn't as black and white as some people think it is. From my own experience there has been girls with boyfriends, that I have been "friends" with for years....and then ended up hooking up with. I think another example of this is in high school, it happens all the time. But overall I think it depends mostly on the girl.

Yeah that is what I was getting at, maybe I just miscommunicated it.

Thanks again for the input!