I was asked with this question after 5 mins into a conversation.

What would be a good funny comeback ?


Me: "Who lies more boys or girls?"
HB4: "I think boys do more"
Me: "Why do you think so ?"
HB4: "Its because that has been my experience"...yada..yada and goes on
Me: "Is he your boyfriend" (I cut the conversation and ask her if the other guy who she is with is her boyfriend - I think I screwed it up here)
HB4: "No they are my business clients, I work in bla bla.... Why are we even having this conversation"

At this point I was like frozen for a second and then came back with," Me and my friend were having this discussion and my wing comes and covers me.

One thing I cant get over is the awkward silence during the opening phase where I just blurt out something like,"Is he your boyfriend or stuff like that"

Any suggestions on how to get over that and how can I come back if a girl asks these kinda questions ?

Stop using that opener, it's shit. Try this one instead:

"Hi, I'm Indy"

Go direct and your results will improve. Embrace silences. The pressure is on her, not you.

There is a time and a place for indirect and I can tell you it's not when a girl is DTF in a nightclub. In a library, maybe.

So this is the conflict between those who prefer direct game as opposed to those who prefer indirect game. The real answer is to be versatile and improvise. Direct OPENERS in your game has it's benefits as it cuts the crap and gets to the point. It's flaws are that it's frequently NOT interesting enough to get to past all the other competition and set you apart. It also, doesn't give you a place to go if she's not DTF from the start. Thus, you end up playing the numbers game and burning yourself out. Indirect openers when done right can develop interest and allow you to transition into direct game or other types of game or routines.

That being said, I've been in the situation described above. The problem I recognized is that I was coming off as performing a routine. So I was being interesting, but not being attractive. You need to naturalize your game. Using your opener is ok, but the focus should always be on attraction from the start. KINO and less talk. Then she ends up telling you the logistical things you need to know like who she's with (which is what you were trying to ask). Any opener is fine as long as it gets her attention and is interesting. Then focus on techniques to attract right away.

I don't need to be saying anything interesting to attract women, because I sub-communicate my agenda with my handshake, eyes and touch. I'm having two conversations with the girl when i open (verbal and visual)and once i have established her logistics, i don't focus on the verbal, I just let it flow naturally.

In fact, sometimes I'll ask a girl I've fucked several times if she can remember how I opened her and not one girl has given me an accurate answer. This is because women remember events emotionally not factually. This is even acknowledged in Sharia law in Muslim countries; The testimony of one man is equal to the testimony of 2x women. Because women get too caught up in the emotions to remember facts as accurately.

This is perhaps the most powerful description of what game that I have read in a long time. Direct or indirect, women describe wanting to be swept off of their feet. Most of the time they can't describe how it should happen.

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Nah dude, weak. The word "attempting" leaves an opening for her to say "Yep, attempting. And failing".

If it's got to a stage where the girl is actually being passive aggressive and saying "what do you want?" then you shouldn't be trying to think of a witty comeback nor treat it like a shit test. You should be figuring out why you didn't have the balls to be clearer with your intentions from the outset.

Opinion openers SUCK! Grow some balls and sweep her off her feet.

If you use an opinion opener, you give a reason why you needed the opinion.

Opinion opener question: Who lie more, men or women?

Her response: "blah blah blah"

You: Ok, the reason I ask is... for eg, my friend and I were talking about....or I read this in a magazine that women actually lie more... JUST HAVE A REASON.

THIS X 10.

Opinion openers work better with a false time constraint and an actual root (meaning that there's a concrete reason you are asking).

"I only have a minute but my friend and I were arguing about...."

Thanks for the reply guys.

I think I should have used a time constraint before opening up.

I have seen contradictory responses related to opening. So is direct opening a good thing in a club ?

Hunter_Foxe: As you mention How do I sub-communicate my agenda like do I just go with a strong frame and open by saying," Hi, My name is ..." without any standardized openers ?

Ok, let me clarify why I said opinion openers suck. Reasons why they suck:

1) You are creating yourself an obstacle. You start with the friendly opener, the girl thinks you're just making conversation, she lets her guard down. BUT girls make their minds up about whether they want to fuck you or not within the first few moments of checking you out, based on how much of a sexual vibe you're giving off. So by the time your opinion opener conversation fizzles out, you're probably already in the friend zone. Doesn't mean you can't pull it back from this point and still get the pull, but why make it harder for yourself?

2) You give yourself the problem of transitioning into a sexual vibe. Whereas if you start off radiating sexual vibes straight away, she will more likely roll with it, because being touchy and sexual will be congruent with your personality. If you start off with a friendly conversation then you suddenly start touching her, she will recoil and be like "woah friendly guy just got super creepy!" whereas if you touch her from the outset, she won't be shocked when you touch her more sexually later. If being direct is really that scary for you, use opinion openers until you're more confident, just make sure you transition into seduction well before the conversation dies. Make the opinion opener a sexual question, then the transition will be less weird. Girls love talking about sex.

3) Girls love confidence and balls. If you are the type of guy who needs to think of "excuses" to approach women, you are conveying submissive signals to the girl. You are waiting for bullshit like IOI's before you make a move, you are essentially adopting the passive female role and you are waiting for her to show masculine interest in you. It might work in a gay bar, but in the straight world, you need to man up and lead. A good girl likes to follow. She doesn't want to feel like the slut who dragged you by the balls back to her place. She wants you to grow some balls and take responsibility for making shit happen. Sweep her off her feet. Grab her for a dance. Pick her up and do a 360 spin.

The only time I've ever successfully used an opinion opener was when I was out shopping and asked a girl's opinion on a present for my girlfriend. Turns out she had a boyfriend too. We got talking, went on an insta-date, sat close to her, we kissed, I said "this is so wrong" and carried on kissing her, fucked on Day 2. As you can see, the opinion opener here was contextual and more appropriate for daygame. But I didn't need it.

Example of how I pull:

You're in the club dancing like a jerk, girl notices you, you lock eyes, she smiles, you high five, she high fives you back, hold the high five, lock fingers, pull her towards you, stare the fuck out of her eyes like you want to fuck her on the dancefloor and give her a twirl. Pull her in, say, "Hey. What's your name." (***note the lack of question intonation; it should sound like a commanding masculine statement, not a rapport-seeking affeminate question***), get closer to her face while talking, "Are you from [insert place name]?", eye-fuck while she answers, "Who are you here with?". Isolate, go to the bar, deal with resistance from her and her friends ("we'll be right back"), kiss, rapport/fluff, pull, change venue, "I'm hungry", "Screw this, let's go", get cab, jiggy music on, fuck. Or get a blowjob / fuck in the club, even better. Then you can fuck another girl the same night if you have the energy.

Observe how quickly I move. Look at how soon I establish her logistics. You're in the club from 10pm til 2am. Time is precious. If you waste 2x hours in set, fannying around with The Cube and opinion conversation only to find out the girl has a fiancé and was just being polite, you've not only wasted half the night, you've also killed your state and lost your mojo for the rest of the night.

Stop wasting time in set. Get on it.

Hunter_Foxe

Thank you for the clear explanation. I used to always be in the calibration mode and sometimes get nowhere. I think I just got to be like fuck it be present to the moment and give them the sexual vibe in the club game.

It actually happened to me last week when I went to New Orleans for Mardigras. The first day I started with the openers and it sucked. There was this girl talking to me for half an hour(I was doing the cube thing) and she just left. Like she just turned away and left. The next day I took a different approach by directly blurting out some shit about what the girl was wearing and dancing with them. And this approach totally worked.

I will try your club dancing pull thing.

Opening indirectly is not a bad thing. Opening is just how you start a conversation. That is all. Sometimes you get IOI's from a distance, you have a real time constraint, or you're in an environment where direct works better. Sometimes you want to feel out the group first before choosing one, sometimes you're in an environment where a social vibe is better than a romantic vibe so indirect would work better. The problem is from not TRANSITIONING to showing interest and moving things forward. If you get a new car, and don't drive it anywhere does it make the car an inefficient form of transportation?
Indystyle, from your Mardigras story, you opened indirectly and got less results that when you opened directly. Why? Because when you opened indirectly, you didn't take it anywhere. Just learn to PROGRESS things and show interest. It can be in the first second, or after 15 mins. It's irrelevant when you do it as long as you do.

The whole point of "Indirect game" is:

Open indirectly--->talk or whatever--->show interest---> escalate

If you don't show interest and escalate, it doesn't mean that indirect is not good; it's because you stuck yourself in fluff. The direct is better or indirect is better thing is just marketing bs to differentiate PU schools and to boast badass stories of how "easy" someone can pull a chick to tout how cool they are. From a girls point of view of an approach, you can either be the confident guy who told her she was beautiful, you were charming and alpha and you ended up together. Or you could be the guy who just by stupid chance you asked a question, you 2 started talking, you clicked, you were alpha and charming and you ended up together. Both ways get you the girl. But don't do one style of approach incorrectly and then run to the other style. It's all the same. Just get used to showing interest and escalating. It could be right off the bat, or it could be 5-10 mins down the line. NO SCHOOL of game advocates talking to a woman for more than 10-15 minutes and not taking it somewhere.