Hi guys, i'm just looking for your opinion on alcohol and the effects it has on your game.

I went out last night and the first thing I realized was that as soon as I had a drink, I had trouble holding a conversation with anyone. Over the past few weeks, I have been speaking with ease and having good, fun conversations with girls. However, as soon as I had a drink last night, I went right back into AFC mode. I just fell apart for some reason. I had massive approach anxiety, even though I barely have any when i'm sober. I was over thinking my conversations and my voice was pretty mono-toned. It didn't help that I was at a party and I only knew 1 guys out of about 30. Do you guys find that when you drink, your game goes to shit?

Also, on nightclubs. Do you guys feel like they are possibly the worst place ever to meet girls. You can't DHV because the music is too loud and and basically, everyone goes off in their own little cliques and shoot anyone down who approaches them. Nightclubs are great if you already have a girl on your arm and you want to escalate quickly, however, I feel they are terrible for actually meeting girls. What do you think?

Thanks.

Most noobs would disagree with you. Alcohol gives you "dutch courage" to approach women. But you should stop drinking for many reasons:

1) Save money, especially if you go out every night
2) Gaining experiences with women when you're drunk will not improve your confidence when sober. You are simply improving your "drunk self", not your core confidence or "natural self".
3) Being drunk affects sexual performance (a.k.a. Brewer's Droop)
4) Hangovers the next day make you depressed and throw you off your game.
5) You need to be sharp and able to dispel fears a woman has and steer her away from her friends and into your bed without her feeling like a slut. Being drunk clouds your judgement and you will miss cues that she is uncomfortable
6) Becoming a master at picking up women is hard work if you're not used to it, total noobs take years to improve and most of them eventually just settle for an ugly girl they met through friends or the first girl who gives them attention in a bar. Alcohol makes you forget details of interactions. If you can't remember details you won't be able to make notes on what you did well and what you need to improve on.

I'm like you Cain. I go out sober. When I drink when gaming my mind slows down and I'm not as sharp so it affects my game and the women notice. My wingman was the opposite he was terrible when sober, so he would drink a BUNCH of grey goose before we went out and he did well also.

If you not going to drink...order a drink that looks like your drinking alcohol. My drink of choice is diet coke, looks like tall whiskey coke and no one can notice. If you want order one whiskey coke and then switch to regular coke for rest of night. (one thing...if you dont drink and your in a bar hitting on girls sober, the female bar tenders WILL be intrigued and notice

As for club game...yes, I believe it is the Hardest environment to pick up girls. But that's good. If you get somewhat proficient at meeting and picking up girls in club or bar, it is So Easy everywhere else. They are
many benefits outside the bar that will up your game. PS- Im was a big bar and club gamer, it's where I got my start and I'm glad I did. You become real good real fast working the bar).

A few notes on bar game. I always stand in the power spot. There's a walk way choke point in every bar club and that's where you want to be location wise. With girls walking by you can always engage them.

I agree clubs are a pain in the ass but communication is about 90% body language (somewhere around there).... so if you can use body language to your advantage you can still pull it off.

As for drinking.... I had my FIRST MAJOR success when I stopped drinking in clubs because I was completely focused. I just carried around a glass of cranberry juice and it looked like a drink. I had the whole club knowing who I was and it was almost like I was a celebrity the way I was warming up and approaching groups of ppl

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I totally agree with you. Alcohol is only good if you are approaching total sluts.

Clubs l, however, are totally fucking terrible. I don't know what type of marketing trick they use as it is basically a place where there is nothing to do, you can only interact with women by rubbing yourself against them, and only serve to empty people's wallets. Some people think alcohol helps them approach, with me, it is the opposite. I get so anxious when i'm drunk for some reason.
Yeh, fuck alcohol from now on. I go to shit after i've had a drink and i'm glad im not the only one. I've never been in a club sober before so i will have to try it. The wierdest thing in my mind is that alcohol is supposed to loosen you up and make you more social, with me, it does the total opposite...

Thanks for the opinions guys.

Lol I thought alcohol has the opposite effect.

Lucky for you.

Perhaps try day game then my man.

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clubs are awesome, i done all games, and quit everything in favor of club game, they are a bit more difficult due to competition and bitch shield. Alcohol will make your learning curve slower...Try to get a system that works in clubs my stuff or 60 years of challenge works well in clubs, mm doesn't. Anyways, here are some links that could help:

http://www.theskillsmethod.com/fundamen ... club-game/

http://www.theskillsmethod.com/alcohol- ... club-game/

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Yeah , clubs are awesome.

The environment stimulates their vagina for you, plenty of variety, girls are looking super sexy.

I usually pull in between bars and clubs in the street. Easy to bounce

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I think the main reason many guys don't like clubs is insecurity. The environment of bigger guys, better dancers and tonnes of super-hot women can be intimidating if you're not used to it. But this is another reason why it pays to drink little to no alcohol, because every fucking chode in the club is a drunk, you will stand out if you're able to wildly party without alcohol as a social crutch.

Getting good at club game is the same as hitting the gym. Not gaining that bulk muscle? Eat more / Lift more. Not getting consistent results in the club? Go out more. Minimum 2-3 nights a week, even more if you can afford to. Just like the gym, don't make excuses not to go. Every time you rip your muscles, they grow back stronger. Every "rejection", every night alone, every failure makes you come back stronger. Just believe.

"Gotta work in the morning" is not an excuse. If i want to party during the week, i get home from work at 5.30pm, I go straight to bed. Have a good rest then set alarm for 9pm. Eat, shower, music and I can be in the club by 10pm (I live in the city). Party for a few hours, come home 1.30 - 2.00am (with or without a girl) then up at 8am for work the next day (either kick the girl out soon after sex or in the morning when you go to work). Some nights i even do without the evening power nap beforehand and survive on 2am - 8pm sleep to get through the next working day (another reason to stop drinking alcohol; no hangovers ). Even if you cut it fine and get to bed 3.30am - 4.00am, just catch up on sleep the next evening, no biggie. If you really need to be in bed by say, 12.00 midnight, go out for just an hour or two, it's still gonna help your overall confidence and the "real" time constraint will force you to approach and really focus on getting numbers for Day 2's.

You cannot expect to get good at clubgame if you only go out once or twice a month. That's only between 12 and 24 nights a year and of those, you'd probably only pull a girl home 10% of the time when you first start out, so you're talking 2 or 3 lays a year??!! This is why many noobs fail; they simply don't go out enough. Some of my wings i literally have to bang their door down and switch their fucking X Box and Facebook off so we can go out.

Clubgame gives you the most accurate mix of people. The only reason why "Club girls are all bitches and sluts" is because they reject you. You wouldn't be saying that if you were fucking them all the time

In my experience of teaching wings, it's the more intellectual guys who hate clubgame. The more intellectual they are, the more they hate it. They over-analyse EVERYTHING. Just when you thought you'd heard every excuse for not approaching, they come up with a new one!! The idea of dancing around "like an idiot" makes them feel really stupid, my reply is always "Girls fuck me because I'm not afraid of making an ass of myself and that's why your girlfriends are always ugly frigid nerds". They know it's true, but it takes a while for your actions to follow your thoughts.

I'm slowly giving up alcohol because, although it's a social lubricant, I want to challenge myself and improve my core confidence, which has done wonders for my daygame by the way!

Pretending to be drunk is the "new drunk".

Love ♡H.F.♡

A fucking MEN brother.

edit (as in AMEN , not as in, that you fuck men haha)

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**fucking a dude** Glad you like it.

Uh...I mean... "Fucking *A*, dude!"

My day game level: 7/10
My club game level: ForeverAlone/10

I just DO NOT GET club game whatsoever, I do decently at day game but as soon as I go out on a night, I just freeze up and end up acting miserable. Don't get me wrong, I want to get better, but how are you supposed to get better when a normal conversation its goes like
Me: Blah Blah Blah
Her: What?
Me: Blah Blah Blah
Her: I can't hear you
Me: What?

The only way people approach a girl is by walking up to her and rub themselves against them, if she likes them, she rubs back, if she doesn't she fucks off.

How are you supposed to DHV when the only way you can approach a girl is by either grabbing her hand dancing or rub against her (which is pervy DLV). You are completely unable to talk to her, so how the fuck can you build attraction if you can't even talk. It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

Also, as for going sober, what exactly will this change? You will be able to make better conversation but unfortunately, she won't be able to hear it.

Ill take a look at the links you gave me and see if it gives me any clue.

edit: Yeh, that a good article. Im doing most of that crap wrong which explains my failures. If a girl is dancing with you, does that mean she probably wants to make out? Im going to give it a go sober and see how it goes.

You daygame guys pretty much approach the same way all the time " Hey i just noticed you from across the bla bla and thought you were cute bla bla" yawn

Night game, it is more about looking for the DTF girls, projecting a good vibe, non verbal game, Physical game, social proof all come into play. The worst thing you can fucking do it talk in a loud club. You obviously haven't tried hard enough.

About 2 weeks ago , I was dancing, having a laugh with my mates, I could see at the corner of my eye a cute girl hovering around me with her friends. I smiled at her, she smiled back, I took her hand and went to the bar with her.

I signaled with my hand of the "point at bar* "drink" sign language "I'l bring her right back" , the girls were happy for her to go with me because they knew she already liked me. That's why she/they danced near me.

I had a drink and kissed her, I went back to her friends, and told them we are gonna go out for fresh air (again this is really easy to sign language despite loud music) and told her I would bring her back.

I was about to go for the extraction but then all her friends came outside and said to me and the girls "we are tired we are gonna go home, you 2 can carry on dancing. I told them that she is safe and that I will look after her.

I took her home.

That's as simple as it can be. i know you're gonna say maybe its because i'm good looking, i'm not that good looking, but I am one the best dressed in the club, I am one of the most confident, I am sober and very calibrated, and i wasn't hunting pussy, I was there having a laugh with my mates. Great thing about it, most men in the venue are trying to have conversations or crippled with AA so its quite easy to stand out.

A lot of the girls are single, a lot of them want to hook up, a lot of them pretend they don't want to hook up, alcohol gives them the excuse of "i got too drunk and things got happened" , girls are looking very sexy, they are many of them, they are are a bot more upbeat when they are out with friends, they are in social mode.

That's the difference between night game and day game.

I like day game but I feel that girls are in shopping mode, and they all seem to have boyfriend's it seems ha. I don't like going direct either, gives them too much power IMO.

"thanx, but I got a boyfriend" is my usual reply.

My mindset is not so great in day time, I get really bored, I'm too high energetic for daygame, works good for night time, perhaps we should trade skills :p

My usual tactics for day time is to dress very pretty, and only approach IOI's when it comes to daytime, I got a few same day lays doing it this way, I just don't get that many IOI's, usually depends on my mood.

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Thanks for the good advice. Im just way over thinking it and my game in the club is usually awful and my value is low because ive drank way too much.

What confuses me further is that during the day, girls show interest in me. They shoot me loads of IOI's for no reason at all. In a club, I get zero IOI's. Again, its probably because im way too drunk and they can't see me as anything other than the village idiot.

I'd happily trade skills haha. Good at Day Game = Trade numbers go on a date. Good Night Game = Just Fuck.