So I talked to this girl on online game, so stopped responding (even tho we got on well) and I found her Kik and msg'ed her on that. Here's more of an example of me not talking and responding to girls right. Idk if I should be serious, funny, build attraction (idk how to do that really) I'm just a bit lost and need this completely explained.

I want to start getting better!

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Oh boy. This is an extremely unnatural conversation. I'm pretty sure almost everything you said is just some canned pickup line that you copied and pasted from these forums and other websites/books. Not only does that sound extremely mechanical and random, but once you run out of these lines you have no idea what to say after that. And what happens when you meet up? These stupid lines aren't going to match your personality at all. Also, don't send memes. Most people don't find them anywhere near as funny as you might think.

Just be yourself. Really. There's nothing wrong with having a normal conversation to get to know someone. And unless you really want to master the craft, I suggest using texting very sparingly. It is much easier to have a solid conversation on the phone or in person. Texting is impersonal and it serves only as a trap for you to fuck up and make yourself look stupid.

"Oh boy. This is an extremely unnatural conversation. I'm pretty sure almost everything you said is just some canned pickup line that you copied and pasted from these forums and other websites/books. Not only does that sound extremely mechanical and random, but once you run out of these lines you have no idea what to say after that. And what happens when you meet up? These stupid lines aren't going to match your personality at all. Also, don't send memes. Most people don't find them anywhere near as funny as you might think."

Now you kinda have a better idea of where I'm coming from lol. See I think that if I'm myself I'll be boring, ask interview-like questions or be generic. And if I use canned lines, I'm robotic, being something I'm not - so there's the paradox. How should the convo go in order to attract and talk to a woman in general (not just a first time). Do you hv any examples if what I can read to fix this? Fixing this is a key part of my game.

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Practice makes perfect. Reading examples and things like that aren't going to help because you'll still be using someone else's personality. Start with one of those generic questions you mentioned, but then take her response and build on it rather than jumping to a new question. You can use this opportunity to tell her funny/heroic stories that happened to you that relate to the question and open things up from there. Obviously you don't want to do this through texting since the last thing you want is to become her texting buddy.

That really makes a lot of sense. Something I never do is tell stories, cause I don't have any. Can you give me an example of a story I'd tell a woman.

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Any story can be turned into a good one if you back it with enthusiasm and a paced rate of speech. Talk about something funny that happened when you were on vacation or out with friends. If you genuinely don't have anything like that, go out and start experiencing new things. You can only fake things for so long before you run out of material, so you need to be completely genuine with the way you interact with women. If she finds out you're a bullshitter, it's pretty much game over. If you think you suck at telling stories, watch standup comedy since they're generally very good at turning even a boring story into a hilarious one.

Solid advice there from Snarg.

I'm a Ludwig Wittgenstein fan. Language games helped me a lot in many interactions--professionally and personally. Here's the gist of it.

Think of a telephone convo. The routine that we've learned goes like this:

Caller: Hello.
Called: Hi.
Caller: Blah. Blah. Blah.
Called: Yeah. Blah. Blah. Blah.
Caller: It's a pleasure talking with you. Bye for now.
Called: Me too. See yah later.

The routine here is the introduction and the ending. What goes in between is a different routine (or set of routines). Homo sapiens societies thrive on routines from toilet training to walking, from working 9 to 5 to breakfast, dinner and lunch, from switching the lights on and off to the sounding of the alarm clock in the morning... All of these are routines.

The things that make one a natural with conversations are practice and knowing how to use one routine after another depending on the situation and social environment.

Among lawyers using the words jurisdiction, plaintiff, affidavits and other legalese are routine. So if you talk with lawyers and use some of those concepts and terminologies, you're 'normal'.

The language among photographers is likewise different as well as the language among pick up artists. If you use PUA terminology when conversing with girls who have no clue whatsoever with the PUA community, then you're not being 'normal'. Get some basic understanding of Role Theory and you're good.

Girls too have a different language among themselves. Although it's still English, they talk about feelings, people, hair (yes, hair! ...and shampoo ...and conditioners ...and so on.) and gossip. On the other hand, men talk about sports, politics, war and beer. You get the idea.

So, taking hints from the telephone conversation routine, you start a convo with girls this way...

You: I feel like that guy over there had a bad day. Look at his hair.
Girl: Lol. Yeah. It looks like he haven't used a conditioner for several weeks.
You: (Since you've got her hooked, transition to listening mode...) Do you use conditioner every day? (Touch her hair. This is masculine nonverbal communication while you're doing feminine verbal communication.) Your hair feels so smooth and luxuriant.
Girl: Yes. I get a rebond too once a month. Blah, blah, blah.
You: That's cool. Unfortunately, barbers don't do rebonds. (Introduce masculine verbal communication.)
Girl: Lol.
You: Btw, do you shampoo your cat or dog?
Girl: I don't like pets. (Calibrate and change the subject if she doesn't like the topic.) Hell, yeah. I have a Persian cat and blah, blah, blah. (When her eyes twinkle, go to listening mode.)
You: (After she runs out of things to say, transition to masculine verbal communication.) Oh. So your cat is a he... Does he have a big cock?

The 'normal' language game pattern with women (when doing male-to-female conversations) goes something like this:

Language Game Start: Opener

Feminine Mode --> Listen Mode --> Masculine Mode --> Listen Mode --> Feminine Mode --> Listen Mode --> Masculine Mode --> Listen Mode

Language Game End: Closer

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Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

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Thanks for your reply guys, very insightful. Experienced PUA's only: been studying game lately, every pua seems to talk to a woman in a better way then me. Like they're Alpha, funny and DHV. My only understanding of DHV is to tell a story but girls realize my true beta faults. I want woman to not be able to resist me. And want me. But Idk how.

Like text opening and convo opening I never know what to say and transitioning. As for how to DHV, my only understanding of that is to tell made up stories. M

Essentially I want to know to how PERFECTLY respond to a woman in all areas of conversation. I'm talking about initial pua convo's and general convo's with girls you already know.
I want to know what to say to make her want me and impress her.

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This is counter-intuitive. The moment you feel that you need to impress the girl-- you lose. The right vibe that works for me is to have fun and enjoy the conversation. It might work for you.

Likewise, your interactions will never be perfect BUT as you get more practice (Snarg's advice is gold. Take it to heart.), your interactions become smoother.

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Sexy/flirty opening to make make her laugh and hopefully invest, 1 or 2 normal questions, bit flirty/sexy again, normal questions again, flirty/sexy ending for positive feeling for her on the end.

The opening and ending are most important for attraction, and the flirt in the middle keeps her attention to continue. The normal questions are to see if shes reacting the way you want and see if she want to go flirty/sexy herself.

Shortly said its just push and pull, and ofc dont make conversations to long that you become a simple chat buddy/friend that just feeds her entertainment.