Met this hb 8.5 at school. From the first week of school til this week (2 weeks) i didn't say much. On the first day I saw her in the lunch room, i liked her, so i sat a few seats down and tried to make a little bit of conversation. she was with a large group of female friends and nothing came of it. On one of the days she came into the weight room while I was in the middle of my session (we apparently signed up for the same class too). I made eye contact a few times and she didn't seem hella into me.

I always sit in the same vicinity as her. On tuesday i sat elsewhere while i ate. No more than 5 minutes after i sat down her and one of her friends picked up their food and switched tables to mine. no coincidence - ioi. I got nervous and decided not to say anything. I left and went to the weight room. She followed me there with one of her friends. She was just sat in the corner and was watching me alot while i was working out (ioi). I finished my workout, changed my shirt and approached her confidently "... Hi. I'm Dan", She gave me her name and I shook her hand, "So umm I think you're absolutely gorgeous and ---" She smiled big, laughed a little nervously and as her friend said "omg", I continues "anddd can I get your number??", she said ya and i handed her my phone. her friend told me how adorable i was and whatnot. I had to leave and I told her i'd text her.

We had to go to school on thursday(today) as well so i figured i'd text her wednesday to see if i couldn't arrange a date for thursday. "hey it's that adorable guy from the weight room" --- she never responded. I saw her in the lunch room as I knew i would, I approached her, said my hellos and she was like "i need to talk to my friend, hold on" - i went and got food. when i came back she was sitting down so i walked up to her "mind if i sit here?" - "sure but me and my friends are leaving soon" - "alright that's cool, i was gonna ask if i could buy you a coffee" - "i don't like coffee" - "oh ya, what do you like?" - "water" - "in that case, can i buy you a water sometime *wink*" she just gave my a funny look "uhh ok... ... ... ok we're gonna take off" - "ok, peace out". surely enough she came back 15 minutes later and sat way across the lunch room. she looked at me every now and then (no ioi).

went to the weigh room. towards the end of my workout she came in, didn't come say hi to me or anything. i ignored her and worked out hard(i figure if she's gonna act uninterested i'd do the same - i even went and made small talk with other cute girls in the weight room). a little while later her and her friend went and hung out like right by me while i did my ab work outs. i didn't wanna talk. i left without saying a word.

Do you guys think she's just playing games? Not interested anymore? Should i still try to game her or should i freeze her out for a while? My female friend said she might have a bf or maybe she gave me a fake number. Idk if i agree with her. I'm not sure if she's just trying to play hard to get, really didn't have the time or is just fucking with me (i've had lesbian girls lead me on just for their amusement before...)? Other opinions on what to think of her and what i should do?

P.S. My game isn't near perfect, i'm aware. I only studied a little bit of pua when i was young and didn't know how to talk to girls or get laid. Once i got the hang of that i worked on my natural game. i still get nervous but i'm direct and pretty confident in my method. i'm not looking to be scrutinized for every little way i did things, just want help with this situation.

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well the mistake was leaving too soon after getting her number. that fucked you up.
now she thinks you are weird and is no longer interested.

that move when you asked her her number was super cocky, you were fucking awesome, you should have kept that attitude!
on the first conversation the girl has to know that you have depth of character, that you are interesting, and that you like her for more than her looks.

otherwise you will look like an awkward social robot that just goes around asking girls for their number.

she gave you her number because it was the easy thing to do, you and her friend were putting social preassure into her giving you her number. it was just easier for her to write her or whoever's number she gave you in your phone than to have to go through the awkwardness of saying no, im sorry. People usually do whats easiest.

but think about it you didnt give her any reason to give you her number. why would she answer you? the only thing she knows about you is that you think she's cute. and cute girls know they are cute, you are not special in any way, thats what your mistake was.

she was showing you very clear signs of disinterest the next day so you did well to stay away.

next time, go and be like
hey, i see you around a lot, whats your name?
-bla bla bla
hi im (your name), you are actually really cute, how come i see you here all the time? are you taking this as a class? (right now im just guessing cuz i dont know if its a class you guys take in whe weights room or whats going on)
-yeah bla bla bla
(now talking to her friend) oh hey i left you out im sorry, whats your name?
-bla bla bla
so what are you guys majoring in?
-blabla bla
(keep the conversation going untill you can feel they are interested in you, then leave)
ok i actually need to but I'll see you around, it was nice to meet you (and leave with a smile)

you will see them again, there's no need to pull her number you go to school together!
social circle game is not about getting the girl to like you, its about getting the girl to want you to like her. its not about pulling the girls number and going for the date. thats for gaming on the street or in the clubs, and you do that cuz thats your only option. social circle game is long term, its about building a reputation, building buzz (people talking about you when you are not around, and saying good stuff!) and creating attraction not by routines or by traditional game, but by being attractive. cuz when people see you every day, there are things you cant fake.

if you find this interesting im offering personal advice free and i have a few articles about self development and being a more attractive person in my blog, all the info is below

hope this helps!

Jason

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You still haven't told me if she's just a complete bitch who is playing games or if she's just playing hard to get. I need to decide what to do next but idk what to think of her actions. Could she have been legitimately busy? Sure. Could she have made time for me? She would have if she was genuinely into me - and this is where my doubt comes in... She could just be nervous and trying to DHV by being stand-off-ish but at the same time she could also be fucking with me head. What should my course of action be? I'll see her in the lunch room and weight room on Tuesday, should I even go out of my way to talk to her? Should I wait for her to come to me? Should I act like I could give a fuck less and use my direct game (which is my natural response - ex: "so why you avoiding me? is it cause i'm too hott for you to control yourself?")? Should I try call her this weekend? Should I freeze her out even though we haven't even started to get to know each other?

And before you say "forget her and move on to the next one" - i wouldn't have made this thread if it wasn't worth an effort. she's cute as hell - love her dimple piercings, her caramel skin and her nice body... I want to tap that haha

I think she may have seen me talking to another girl last tuesday(after i got her number) -> Could that have caused all this?

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bro first lesson to get good at game:

1- every time stuff goes south with a girl, its YOUR fault.

she might be a bitch to some people, but there's no such things as bitches, she will be sweet and tender to the guy she likes.
she's not playing hard to get:
I saw her in the lunch room as I knew i would, I approached her, said my hellos and she was like "i need to talk to my friend, hold on" (being polite) - i went and got food. when i came back she was sitting down so i walked up to her "mind if i sit here?" - "sure but me and my friends are leaving soon" (small IOD)- "alright that's cool, i was gonna ask if i could buy you a coffee" - "i don't like coffee" - "oh ya, what do you like?" - "water" (MASSIVE IOD, thats just plain "leave me alone" kinda stuff) - "in that case, can i buy you a water sometime *wink*" (wink!?) she just gave my a funny look "uhh ok... ... ... ok we're gonna take off" (we are gonna take off is a polite way of her saying you are making me uncomfortable, bye)- "ok, peace out". surely enough she came back 15 minutes later and sat way across the lunch room. (thats the clearest IOD that exists) she looked at me every now and then (no ioi).

maybe i wont be popular with you after that debrief but you asked for help, so im going to be 100% honest.

Could she have been legitimately busy? Sure. im sorry but i disagree. you were making her uncomfortable and she left to get away from you. she even came back to the same room and didnt even said hi to you. if she liked you and was busy she would have sitted in the same spot she was before she left. with you, that is...

She could just be nervous and trying to DHV by being stand-off-ish but at the same time she could also be fucking with me head. she might be nervous but she's not trying to DHV bro, she doesnt even know, unless you are fucking famous or the president of the football team, she has no motivation to DHV, she knows you like her already.
and if she liked you enough to care what you think, she again would have sitted next to you when she came back.

And before you say "forget her and move on to the next one" - i wouldn't have made this thread if it wasn't worth an effort. she's cute as hell - love her dimple piercings, her caramel skin and her nice body... I want to tap that haha i wouldnt have said move on if i though you had any chances with her. im sorry to be this harsh but it seems you need to be taken back to reality a little bit bro.

ok so i seem not to be clear enough. i think what caused all this is that when you asked for her number, you showed you didnt know what you were doing when you left so soon. maybe you do, but i have a fair understanding of how women's minds work, specially when they have friends around them, and this is what was happening in her mind as you approached.

Hi. I'm Dan", She gave me her name and I shook her hand, (she's intrigued) "So umm I think you're absolutely gorgeous and ---" She smiled big, laughed a little nervously (she's flattered and more intrigued)and as her friend said "omg" (her friend thinks you have balls), I continues "anddd can I get your number??", she said ya (its not such a big deal for girls to give their phones away, and you seemed kinda cute) and i handed her my phone. her friend told me how adorable i was and whatnot (you made a very good first impresion). I had to leave and I told her i'd text her. when you left both girls were thinking what the fuck just happened? you disappointed them both, and thats a huge mistake. you want to accomplish whenever you do this kinds of approaches is for the first thing to be said by her friend after you leave is "he's cute right?" if you manage to get that, you'll get her interest. all you accomplished here was for them to be left disappointed and thinking what the fuck...

i mean this hole thing could work with some girls, but its not gonna work with all of them.

i think you are kinda delusional, at every point all i can sense from you is that you think she cares as much as you do... you are one guy in a million for her, you are just another random guy that asks for her number, you think thats rare for a girl that can be rated as an 8,5?

if you dont hate me by now with all that i've told you, i think you show that you dont have any kind of AA, and thats a massive help in your journey. i can help you become better at this if you think its worth it. i actually wrote an article on how to stop being just another guy a while ago that you might like:

http://selfdevelopmentpua.blogspot.com. ... r-guy.html

hope this helps bro! i didnt mean to be insulting. just meant to help.

Jason

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I wish I could have stayed longer but I had class and i didn't want to put some female i hardly know higher up in my priorities than my schooling. I told them that I had class and I thought I'd be able to text her afterwards. I'm aware nobody is inherently a bitch and i also believe that everything is relevant. I didn't say "i wouldn't have made this thread if it wasn't worth an effort." because i wanted you to reassure me it wasn't. I was hoping another expert with a different perspective would come along and give me his method and what he'd do here. I respect your opinion and I agree with you on many matters...

I had no fucking clue what a IOD was until you mentioned it and I looked it up. I created this thread in hopes someone would give me detailed feedback like you just did with my quotes and your take on it. I apprectiate it. Can you please explain to me why after recieving the multiple IOD's she gravitated towards me in the weight room? I'll give you my take - I ignored her and she wanted more attention. While in the lunch room I displayed that I have a life outside of her (forget what you guys call this in but); I worked hard on my schoolwork and then talked on the phone with another girl for 10 minutes. She witnessed me flirting with another girl or two in the weight room, i made sure she saw and by the time i was about done working out all of my muscles were ripped as hell and I looked hotter than ever. I feel like her trying to get near me in the weight room could have been a sort of invitation to give it a second try.

(1) Now that I know where I fucked up - do you think if she shows some minute amount of interest I can maybe use what you taught me to make a better impression on her and her friend, right? What do you think of using her friend as a pawn and flirting with her instead and ignoring the 8.5 (her friend is only a 6.5/7 and I have a feeling it'd drive her crazy) ??? Think it has a 1/1000 chance of working?

(2) Another think I'd like to do because my natural game(and personality) is very direct, confrontational and honest is: confront her about giving me her number and then giving me IOD's(i wouldn't phrase it that way) and asking straight up what made her change her mind about me if anything. I'm great at reading people(and their behavior) and judging by her response(assuming if out of kindness she doesn't say "I am still into you) I could do my old mind reading trick and mind fuck her. Feasible?

(3) Your suggestion.

Regardless of what you say I'm going to do 1, 2, or 3. I'm a man that pursues what he wants and I do want her. I don't have anything to lose now, other than my reputation. I think 1 has far less potential to ruin my reputation within her social circle than 2 does but it's also a little more difficult imo. Any input is welcome. I don't care if you think I'm a farking idiot - you're entitled to your opinion and I'm pretty even tempered.

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this is what i was talking about. the girl uses some stuff in the gym next to you and you think "she gravitated towards" you. you are massively self involved, or delusional.
i dont think you have a chance so i'll let others give their opinion cuz in mine, everything you do is gonna make her feel even more uncomfortable. move on, and if she ever talks to you again go with the coller attitude rule:
always put equal or less effort, enthusiasm, and energy.

if you keep pushing it, she will keep saying no to you, and whenever you meet a new girl that knows this girl, this girl is going to warn her that you are a creep, and completely ruin your chances...

lets see if there are other opinions...

Jason.

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Quite sure she gravitated towards me dude. Her and her friend don't even lift weights, they hang out in the corner of the room and talk and that day she came and sat by my - not using the machine, not in her usual spot.

Perhaps i am delusional but there's no possible way i could ever come to that conclusion unless i heard it from her.

And i'm not gonna push it, I just want to find a way that I can build her attraction towards me. I was under the impression that any guy could get any girl as long as he had good enough game. But I suppose I'll take what i can get and take the coller attitude and put it in my pocket. Thanks for the little jewels. When i'm the best pua in northern california i'll be sure to thank you. I am still going to ignore her and try to make her see that i do have some redeemable traits. I'm not gonna promise I won't lose my patience and try to hit on her friend.

P.S. What if you're somehow (god forbid) wrong, and she does against all odds want me?

Edit: I don't mean any disrespect by that. I do appreciate your advice to no end. I'm just more or less curious what makes you so sure that your judgement is true and correct, what makes you sure that you can't be wrong here?
I do have other girls that I have my eye on this semester and I know there are a million others just like her out there but I do think it'd build my confidence quite a bit if I could eventually get this girl.

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Also do you think it'd hurt to stay in contact with her? To be friendly and say hello when I run into her every now and again?

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This. That's the only mistake you've made. The rest is not that important.
No, I think if you leave too soon you look like a player. Open -> Compliment -> #Close -> Leave, timeframe: two minutes. You can do that with every other girl.

And now to answer your first question: bitch or hard to get? Neither. She is rejecting you politely in an indirect way.