Why doesn't attraction get you the girl?



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:15 am 
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Girls get attracted all the time. They're not like guys where attraction is usually enough to hook up because they have much more options. Qualification is important because she must feel that you're interested in her for more than just sex. When you only get her attracted when you text her she thinks "he was cool...he was funny and interesting then he asked for my number. He MUST only be interested in me for my looks and therefore sex because he didn't really seem to like me for anything other than my appearance" therefore you qualify her so she feels you like her for more than her looks.
I agree with what you have said in the case of where she is just merely attracted to me. In that case she would flake without qualification because she doesn't want to just have sex.

1. HOWEVER, what if she is SUPER-ATTRACTED to me.
Then would she should think "Ok i'm super attracted to him and therefore I want to have sex with him even without qualification or comfort?" or "I'm going to use my sexuality and personality to lure him into a relationship". (even if i did no qualification or comfort)???

2. You have told me why qualification is necessary. However, please explain why comfort is necessary too in order to not get a flake. What the fuck is so important about comfort anyways that Mystery claims "The game is played in comfort?"


PLEASE ANSWER THESE 2 QUESTIONS NEO BECAUSE I AM IN DESPERATE NEED OF THE ANSWERS.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:07 pm 
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Because human beings are social creatures. We thrive on interacting with other individuals or with groups. It's human nature to be social, engage in conversations and want to be surrounded and liked by other people. That is why attraction alone will not get you the girl and why you need to be sociable, intelligent, funny, witty and genuinely interesting to ultimate seduce a woman and have her wholly attracted to you. We, both men and women, require our social desires to be stimulated otherwise we lose interest rapidly.
Look dude.

I don't know how to say this without coming off as offensive but it is very clear from your posts that you have absolutely no idea what the M3 module is, mystery method is or even love systems method is. The game that you are using has no basis in PUA. You do not have an in-depth understanding of game. Period.

I know you may hate me now for saying this but I only do so out of love for a fellow player.

I strongly suggest that you study the mystery method.
Learn what comfort and qualification is. Because you clearly do not know what those terms are.

Forgive me if I have spoken too harshly. I respect all fellow players especially those with high-post counts who attempt to contribute to the community.
Dude, you're asking a stupid question that's so vague it's impossible to answer you. You're asking "Why do women need more than attraction to get them?" I answered from TWO different points of view; One directly linking the meaning of Attraction in PU to you, telling you you need more than just initial attraction and then giving a real life example of why men and women usually feel the need to have more than initial attraction to genuinely be interested in someone and want more; The other from a simplified psychological understanding of why humans need more than just attraction to want something more from another individual.

I've read MM, i've read The Natural, i've read a lot of PUA, I studied psychology in college and i've put a hell of a lot of it to test in the field and from my experience making a girl laugh is essentially a feel good trick PU will use to perk himself up and force a sense of interest from a woman(Even though she may not). Initial Attraction, as I explained before is essentially raising her susceptibility towards you so you can proceed to game her. If you have a neutral level of attraction built up so she doesn't mind you being around you can proceed to game her and show other attractive qualities in you. That is essentially what MM is all about: Manipulating the female mind so she sees you as more valuable than every other dick and harry out there. It's not purely based on attraction but even at that, attraction is a broad term to be used and is important, however you can't simply game a chick with initial attraction.

I think you need to look up what attraction is because it is very broad and applies to the things you're asking:
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Generally, there are four defining points on the spectrum of Attraction:

1. Passive and Long-Term Attraction, which is based mostly on long term or inherent values and cannot be easily changed. (Or rather, improving these will take time.) Consider these “base stats” of a RPG game character:

Physical beauty (genetics: symmetry, face, body, height)
Wealth and influence of financial resources towards social life
Social proof dynamics and social circle foundation/connections
Personal reputation from fame, family lineage, or other “social networks”
2. Middle of the Spectrum Attraction, which is based mostly on things you can convey without opening a target:

Pre-selection by other women
Body language and movement
Eye Contact
Voice volume and tonality
Avatar / Style
3. Immediate-Based Attraction, which is based on DHVs an artist can achieve while in set:

Sense of humor and wittiness (Cocky and Funny)
Energy Level
Frame Control
Routines or conversations that pump buying temperature
Kino Escalation
Qualification / Neg / DQ / Pebbles
4. Non BT-based Short Term Attraction (AKA “Comfort-Attraction”), which is based on DHVs an artist can convey in a set that are unique to him and cannot easily be transferred to another man:

Stories embedded with the themes of: pre-selection, leader of men, a vision larger than oneself, protector of loved ones, willingness to emote, general passion for life
Genuineness / Authenticity / Vulnerability based on personality
Many others from different schools of thought: all short term attraction switches can relate back to one theme—the subcommunication of a man’s higher value via social pings and pongs
I linked all this in my first post.

Be more coherent because no one knows what the fuck you're asking here. Two pages on and you've still not got your answer because you're not making any god damn sense as to what it is, exactly, you're asking!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:43 pm 
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I don't see how it is not understandable what OP is up to. He is not talking about initial attraction ffs. He is talking about that you see the girl, you get her attracted, and then you get her even more attracted, and more, and more and more... and the question is. Why is this not enough to get the girl? And I think this is not a stupid question. At least, not from a newbie.

So I'll explain to you, OP.

What happened here, is you missed some really important things.

What is important to note is that when a woman feels attracted, it does not mean that she is already sexually aroused, nor is she in a sexual state of mind. For that to happen, you need to frame the interaction like that. In other words, she is only in "stand by" mode, waiting for you to switch off those inhibiting switches, and let her go wild with you. The difference is, that when she is not attracted, you don't have access to these switches.

So this is what I think you are missing. Attracted =/= sexually aroused.

Without arousing the girl sexually, you will not get her. And here we should put an end to the "why?" question sequence, because now the only answer is that "Women are like that". Cruel evolution/God/whatever you believe in made women to only be DTF when they are aroused.

Hope this clears things up a bit

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But you need rapport and comfort to begin to raise a sexual state, otherwise the girl is going to feel uncomfortable and blow you out.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:09 pm 
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Of course. That's the point. That's why all THREE are necessary. Attraction, rapport, and sexualization. But I just pointed out that OP doesn't seem to differentiate between attraction and sexual arousal.

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This is a gamey thread haha

Reminds me of my noob days where everything had to have a structure.

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Because human beings are social creatures. We thrive on interacting with other individuals or with groups. It's human nature to be social, engage in conversations and want to be surrounded and liked by other people. That is why attraction alone will not get you the girl and why you need to be sociable, intelligent, funny, witty and genuinely interesting to ultimate seduce a woman and have her wholly attracted to you. We, both men and women, require our social desires to be stimulated otherwise we lose interest rapidly.
Look dude.

I don't know how to say this without coming off as offensive but it is very clear from your posts that you have absolutely no idea what the M3 module is, mystery method is or even love systems method is. The game that you are using has no basis in PUA. You do not have an in-depth understanding of game. Period.

I know you may hate me now for saying this but I only do so out of love for a fellow player.

I strongly suggest that you study the mystery method.
Learn what comfort and qualification is. Because you clearly do not know what those terms are.

Forgive me if I have spoken too harshly. I respect all fellow players especially those with high-post counts who attempt to contribute to the community.
You are treating Mystery's works as gospel, and ignoring basic human psychology.

Attraction is part of, but separate from, seduction. I think that's what Games SN is trying to say.

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