Hey guys,

Those of you who're familiar with my posts I'm sure get my disappointment, disillusionment, and disgust at what RSD has become, largely seen through their volumes of recent youtube videos.

Let me say right here and now, unequivocally, every "tactic", "scheme" or "routine" taught in RSD's **PAID CONTENT** has fallen flat, with my extensive trials and experiences of cohorts.

And I'm talking about applying this stuff with several girls, in several siuations. So let's go over a few:

Jeffy (Jeff Allen):

"The first contact I make with a number close is a phone call the next day, I say, '_Yeah hey it's me, I'm in and out right now....try to get a hold of me.'. so then she is wondering, 'in and out? What does he mean, as in, in and out fucking?'.

If I still don't get a call-back, then I break out the crazy shit!"

He then goes onto a routine where he pretends he's crying about having no friends, etc.
He then says to the girl: "aaah, just kidding, ya brat, oh and I'll even sing to you." (Then launches into a bit by Air Supply)

Another Jeffy tactic: "Aaàaww man, if this doesn't get the girl, nothing will. Tell her you just met her twin."

"She'll be so up in arms about 'Oh my God!! You met my twin?!! Was she prettier than me???!!'"

Timmy (Timothy) "The first thing you text a girl if you get no response is 'your shit' because that gets her wondering ...'hmmm, that's a weird way to text..is he calling me shit or talking about something I need to deal with?'"

So she's of course supposed to be texting you like crazy left and right all night long to find the answer to what in the world you met in that cryptic text.

Yeah, you try all of that. I tried 3 dozen for each tactic and got crickets.

I've run into more guys than not who say "man, RSD has fucked me up probably more than any other source, publication, book or coach I've ever tried, now I've gotta start all of this shit all over again because they fucked me up so bad...."

Maybe it's just time for us guys to just get some goddamn sense about ourselves and realize, "hey, these groups don't know shit, and all they're doing is teaching pr bullshit from podiums that never has to be demonstrated..... "

Keep in mind, we're growing up guys..... But there is an endless supply of terrified little 8th grade virgins to lap this shit up, and who'll stop at nothing to get, oh my god! A kiss from a girl! And even on the cheek!

Just a thought ...

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RSD guys are complete unnaturals. they are weird people that one day had to overcome their weirdness by mechanically learning how to get girls with techniques, routines, etc.
they can therefore only connect with weird girls: girls that party all day, strippers, rockers, damaged girls with daddy issues that are just as weird as they are.

its not something bad, i think thats the kind of girls they are attracted to. the thing is most of us are not that way. like idk about you but im a college student, i like good girls, and im not saying i wouldn't fuck a stripper if i had the chance, but thats just not my world i've never even met an exotic dancer in my life, i go for social circle game and girls that are like me.
Mystery for example (i know he's not in RSD but still) is a fucking genious, but none of the girls i like would fuck him, he's a david copperfield magician kinda guy, and some girls are just not into that.

they attract the girls they like, and they are happy with that, but i never listen to any advice they give cuz they cant help me go were i wanna go. i believe you shouldnt either, the girls you like dont respond to that stupid stuff. in fact some of that shit is retarded 'your shit'???? if a girl doesnt answer the text have some fucking respect for yourself and never text her again! she can go fuck herself, go find another one cuz your chances with her are none.

unnaturals need to learn from unnaturals, but if you can avoid it do so, cuz unnaturals are generally weird people. go for people like Adam Lyons, James Marshall, Steve Piccus, learn how to be a better person, not a "PUA".

Jason.

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I'm definitely with you on the -be a better person first, not a PUA-

The only this is. As far as the Adam Lyons stuff goes ,

candid-review-of-afc-adams-dc-bootcamp-vt50862.html

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I agree, RSD is taking overanalyzing into a whole new level.

I'm not sure about Adam though. I've read the entire thread, and there's a whole lot of suspicious things going on.

1) OP does seem to have that negative attitude, other posters have pointed out.

2) Said other posters, who gave a much more positive review, only have these posts on this entire forum.

3) The thread has been locked for reasons unknown.

So I really don't know. I have more than enough reasons to question both OP and the praisers. I think the truth is somewhere in-between.

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Don't paint them all with the same brush.

Julien is in a league of his own; he is head and shoulders above all the other RSD guys, including Owen. He cuts all the bullshit, he doesn't over-analyse the shit like building an attractive lifestyle, he just talks about picking up women. He's helped me fix a lot of my blind spots over the years.

Tyler (Owen) - 2nd best RSD guy. Rambles too much, his anecdotes come off like he is bragging a bit, feeds off the crowd laughing at his jokes, he is a clown sometimes.

I don't like Alex (arrogant), Todd (lacks core confidence), Brad (insecure / rambles on about himself too much) or Jeffy (creep).

Julien is the only natural among them.

I think the irony of RSD is that while it's not as "complicated" or "weird" as MM, each instructor posts new content almost every day. I mean, how can pickup seem simple when you have something new to talk about with respect to getting girls EVERY OTHER DAY? That's like someone telling you it's simple to set up a table, and then overcomplicating it and confusing you by calling you for 30 mins every 10 mins to talk about an aspect of the table. Say what you want about Mystery, but the guy kept it simple. If you see one Mystery video, you've seen them all. Not everyday with this "The ONE concept that makes guys get girls!" bs. No wonder guys get confused as fuck.

Exactly. I have nothing against Mystery. The problem I have with his method, is essentially not his fault. The problem I have with RSD on the other hand, is absolutely an issue that I can address to most of the instructors there.

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I forgot where I read this, but one blogger made a pretty good point about how RSD's approach used to be "Be the Prize" (a lot of pickup adopted/adopts this too, I sure as hell do.)

But then he noted, "In seeing some of Real Social Dynamics' recent stuff, this whole concept of 'Be the Prize' now seems to be out of fashion. Now it's all about creating 'win-win' situations.

A lot of what some of these schools have to say about pickup - if it was legitimate, concepts wouldn't just come and go in and out of fashion like that."

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think in Blueprint, Tyler even referred to "Be the Prize" as "Yeah that's kinda win-lose."

What a crock!!!

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First off, that post was mine. I used another screen name because I was worried about how far some people might go to get payback, etc. for being candid.

Well, if I seemed negative, it's because it was necessary for it to be a negative review. It was a horrible experience. No feedback was given aside from "you looked uncomfortable"

It was largely taught by his junior approach coaches, who you'd be put in groups of 2-3 per coach each of the 2 nights. Adam was largely nowhere to be seen and would do no demo's. In fact, his performance was mostly in the hotel room when he was speaking/presenting. He comes off as a grade A charlatan.

We'd get to the venue, and all they would do is say "Go up to those people, okay now go up to those people." I'm sorry but that's not teaching.

Psych, the one I got put with, was an absolute asshole. He'd chill back at the corner of a bar and say, "Go up to those girls.", and as I was talking to them, he'd be just shaking his head, looking down, with his hand over his face." All he did was talk about how horrible my performance was. No advice for improvement---aside from "Your problem is you were trying to get the girl!"

When I asked him to do a demo and show me how to do it then, he would not.

On night 2 with Psych he'd say, "Okay, go up to that set and you have to stay in it for five minutes minimum. You are not allowed to leave before 5 minutes." (of course, regardless of if those people wanted you there or not.) We had surface level discussion, then people started looking around like, "Uhhh, okay, when is this guy gonna get the fuck out of here?"

I gave him a debrief of one girl I talked to, she was at an after-party for a bachelorette party, meaning guys were along for the ride (friends of bride or whatever). I told Psych how I said to the main girl, "You got a stripper didn't you?"

Psych said, "There you go"

I mentioned how I got a brief laugh from the girl, then, "Why would we have ordered a stripper if there were guys there?"

Psych said, "You totall screwed that up! You NEVER get logical with a girl!"

I said, "I started out funny and joking, she then went logical."

Psych: "You let her get logical."

The whole theme of the bootcamp is basically everything is your fault. You did something wrong. None of these girls could ever possibly be bitches.

In fact, one of the guys, in response to my review, actually wrote, "Much to my chagrin, I have to now admit that not every girl can be picked up."

If he thought that before (seems he did), I've got some waterfront property in Florida to sell.

Then all of a sudden there was this huge influx of brand new accounts pouring onto the thread talking about how the bootcamp was awesome, and how they loved EVERYTHING ABOUT IT!!

Most bootcamps/schools at least try to mix up the venues and try another place another night. This bootcamp couldn't go to another venue because someone in the group was actually fucking under 21. I was 25 at the time, and I get a little put off when we can't go to places because we're babysitting.

Adam's policy, as explained to me by others who have taken his bootcamps, is "for entertainment purposes only, no warranty expressed or implied." ---but if you're that unhappy with it, you basically get to come with them on unlimited free bootcamps until you're happy.

Of course you foot the airfare and hotel rooms while you're flying all over the country to be told to run up to random girls in bars, with no feedback. Yeah, at 25, as a full time grad student, like I've got that kind of budget...

But in my case, because of the publicity, and threats to massively distribute/syndicate it if it mysteriously disappeared, I was given a refund.

After agreeing to give me my refund, they disappeared for a few days. I posted that on the forum, and others asked me to keep them posted.

I then got my refund. Then Adam made a post just explaining that they strive to be the best and that I got my money back, etc. AND THE THREAD WAS IMMEDIATELY LOCKED.

It's funny, I used to go to pickup events and stuff and get, "Oh!!! YOU'RE that guy!!"

So if the thread seemed a little shady, well, it's because some shady stuff was going on.

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My basic issue and problem with RSD is something they share in common with a lot of guys that have been in the game a long time and have had some measure of success with PUA. They begin to hate pick up, so they start moving to this self actualization, Anthony Robins/David Daida, metaphysical self-improvement area in an effort to root out their inner daemons. For most of us, still working on fucking more and hotter girls, want help in the PUA area not the "better human" area. We will confront our failed pathology later if ever.

I thought the self-help direction so many have taken was more for the money than anything else, but that's an interesting take.

There're some anti-game blogs and sites out there that try to debunk all of pickup by calling it a dying trade, etc. and the evidence they use is that so many of the biggest name instructors are now teaching a more general overall life-improvement kind of thing.

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Yeah I figured something was stinking there. I have never been to a bootcamp so I have absolutely no experience regarding that. I really just went out and put myself there. It was kind of hard sometimes, especially in the beginning, and after break-ups, but I just couldn't afford anything more. I could afford buying some e-books on Amazon to read, but a bootcamp is way out my budget. There are a bunch of hippocritical blokes here who constantly preach "You have the money for what you want", but that's some straight up bullshit. I'm a med student. My books and my equipment, and just simply living, is pretty tough for my family. Working, even part-time besides med school is like committing suicide.

So I never really had the "pleasure" of these bootcamps and I have heard hots and colds from all over the place. And it's damn suspicious that when an exceptionally good review comes up about something, then it is immediately followed by an exceptionally bad one, and vice versa. It's outright impossible to tell what is true and what is not, unless you take part in one personally. And even then, personal experience can differ a lot. I think a person who only needs to be pushed to just "Do it" because he lacks motivation would absolutely love these bootcamps. While someone who'd expect detailed explenation of concepts and demonstration, and the way to internalize this, would not at all.

I'm not by any means saying this was the case with you. I'm just in no position to judge this situation, so I'm gonna stick with my gut feeling, and leave it like that. Really don't want this thread to become a flame war-zone and be locked too, like the other one.

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Good point, there have always been anti-PUA people who are mostly failed would-be PUA who gave up on it rather then try harder and persist. But ya, I think guys who have been gaming successfully for a long time feel a psychological need to "evolve" past PUA, unfortunately this is a disservice to the majority of people who want PUA not self-improvement. Of course they still bill themselves as PUA because they know what brings guys in to the seminars. I dont really think there is more money in Self-Improvement over PUA per se, that market has been over-saturated for decades now.

well yeah i know where you are comming from, but the reallity for many of us is that we learn all the techniques routines this guys speak about, but in the real world they are shit. Some stuff is just plain awesome, like The Cube, and work very well cuz they are legit rutines, but most of the rutines out there are just pure shit this guys make up because there's such a great demand for them.

they fucking take advantage of the beginners, feeding you bullshit routines that dont work and then telling you they dont work because you are not doing it right.

you dont like Adam? how come? i've found his advice on the 21 convention to be pretty useful but maybe its just not for everyone i guess.

try not to learn from routines, have some really good ones like the cube, the pomegrade routine from mystery, and a few others, but dont let them feed you shit. if it sounds lame, it is.

like i searched text openers almost a year ago and there was a post with 100 text openers, every single one of them was absolute shit. maybe you've seen it too.

Jason

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Well people learn differently for sure, but I don't think just being pushed out to the lions, and nothing else, or sitting in your living room reading pickup books and watching DVD's, and nothing else, is going to help anyone.

I personally like to be pushed and forced to approach, etc. Then afterward, when the situation didn't actually turn out that bad, I get to find out why it worked.

So knowing what works, seeing it, and knowing why are key no matter what.

I know a guy who does daygame and actually records some of his approaches/conversations to review later. He goes point by point and really gets to siphon out where exactly a girl's buying temperature started to fall off, and what he did to make it happen.

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