I agree with Snarg. There is gonna be good and bad advice on here and it's very easy to recognise what's good and what isn't, you just need a bit of common sense. The guys who give the best advice here are those who have made the most mistakes in their pickup career. And learned from it. The best advice for noobs is to stop avoiding failure and mistakes. Embrace failure, embrace mistakes and embrace rejection. Laugh at your fails while you learn from them. Stop taking life so seriously.

@GamesSN - I think your view that the forum used to be better is because your perception of game has evolved and improved since you first joined. It's easy to see things through rose-tinted glasses but in reality you're just better at recognising bad advice than you used to be.

To be fair to the mods, they do ban serial whiners. But I don't think it's wise to ban PUAs just for having different schools of thought. For example, I fundamentally disagree with brain-washing NLP techniques, but there are guys on here who have success with it, so I wouldn't want the mods to ban them or anything. What works for them doesn't work for me. But I defend their right to post on here.

The great thing about this forum is the diversity of opinion and cultures. Let's not whine about what's wrong with it or we are just as bad as the noobs who whine about girls.

♡H.F.♡

A few thoughts on your replies:

1. I titled this thread "Weeding out LIARS" and not "Weeding out bad advice". This is a forum where 80% advice amounts to "just fuck her", "just tell her you're going to fuck her", "Just let her know you are going to fuck her" so we're not short on what is typically thought of bad advice. However . . . to me anyways, even these stereotype suggestions are not exactly "bad advice". . . usually, it's just that advice like these are usually not applicable to the specific questions that are posed.

2. There seems to be some confusion between "poor advice" vs. "Lies of scumbag assholes". Those who give poor advice mean well, but lack experience, knowledge, or ability to effectively communicate their intentions to others. A member who offers poor advice might write, "Just go fuck her will you?" . . . but when other member(s) support the idea by rewording and offering further advice, "Romance her, let her know your intentions, Hold her fucking hand dummy. . ." - then the initial member will agree and reply, "Yes, that's what I mean exactly." This is because for most, regardless of their abilities or lack thereof, their goals and intentions are aligned with the rest of the group. Hey, this is a silly fucking topic but if we're going to pick up women, we might as take it somewhat seriously and do it well.

On the other hand, lying scumbag assholes do not offer good advice or bad advice. Their existence here has nothing to do with taking or offering advice. They simply use any group they partake in as a personal toilet to do whatever the fuck they want to do. Seriously? You guys can't tell the difference? Their stories continue to change (as all liars do) as the lies(story) unfolds. They defend themselves mercilessly and call upon referent power (I know this, I know that, I did this, I did that, I read this, I read that) to support their retardation. Use the nightclub as a personal running track? Be confident in yourself with the true, heavy hardcore, self, self, I am me, me, me confidence method? Sarge in banks . . . WTF are these kids smoking?

3. There have been many scumbags here but only a few who have been psychotic enough to stick with their bullshit for an extended time. I can count 4 or 5. . . And in that time, these are the only assholes I called out. In real life . . . as I mentioned earlier, there is no reason to call anybody out or make anybody feel bad. Real Life has built in mechanisms to kick assholes out of groups. @phoneixlimbo, there is no way you massage retarded assholes to fuck up your real life agendas as you did with HH and your thread. You enabled him to take your agenda and turn it into an idiot show. As strange as some might perceive your particular topic, I like it. I lived it. I wanted to share it. I miss it. I miss the excess. I miss the fun. I miss the plastic. I miss the stories. . . I have plenty. When my fat old ass gets together with my fogie buddy for a beer, our chats always go back to "those times when". . . and we still get calls. . . we still get invites. . . and we keep talking about rallying but we're busy with our shit. Any how . . . unfortunately . . . the only thing that can be done with your bullshit thread is to now explain why sarging in a bank will not work. Really? I have to waste my time to explain logically what EVERYBODY knows to be a laughable fucking imagination of a retard?

4. Some of you are calling upon the rules of "good citizenship" of real life living to suggest that being an a-hole on the internet is such a bad, bad thing. For the most part, I agree with this. However, calling out lying assholes and insulting them is the only mechanism we have to keep these idiots in check. . . and in the past, in this forum, this method has worked.

I understand that you don't like liars, but I don't understand why you let it bother you so much. People lie all the time.

What happened to being unaffected and "on top of your shit"? Let liars lie. Let them be foolish. They are only kidding themselves. If noobs end up following suit, then let them live and die by the sword. They will learn more from failing than winning.

What are you hoping to achieve with this thread? I don't get it.

Who is to say who is lying? I mean a guy can be a jockey and write stuff that works and wouldn't come across as a liar. And another guy may actually go out and post the weirdest things that work for him and come across as one.

To the "sarge in banks" thing: I enjoy HH's posts, yet him suggesting to someone to sarge in a bank doesn't make sense to me. This is not a criticism, just it doesn't match MY reality. Would I consider it bad advice? No, I have never tried it so can't say it wouldn't work. All I can say is from my own experiences it seems implausible. But then again, alot of things in PU is counter intuitive. There are things that logically we think should work and they don't, and things that logically we think wouldnt work and they do.

Would I consider him a liar if he says it works for him? No. Even if it doesn't work for me, I know nothing about his age, the city he lives in, the age and demographics of the women he may get from sarging in banks and a million other things that may make this method work for him. If Mystery says wearing a boa and outlandish clothing can get women, and I try the same in a small college town and come off as a weirdo, is Mystery full of bullshit? No. Because Mystery is sarging in cities and environments where dressing like this can attract a certain type of woman. Before I call someone a liar, I'd find out the variables of the situation that make it work. My local bank is small and not conducive to much of what HH wrote. Super wealthy chicks don't go there to roll deposits. Maybe HH lives in a city where it's different.

The real problem is everyone assuming that their reality is all that exists. If I live in a multi racial city, I can tell a guy race doesn't matter. If the guy lives in a racist town, he can't see it NOT being an issue, hence I would sound like a liar.

Again . . . in real life, there exists mechanisms to put liars in their place and restore balance to social groups. This forum has been hijacked by only a handful of lying assholes and it has derailed the entire forum simply due to the "nice enablers" who have jacked off on this bullshit.

Report the user[s] to the Admins if you feel they are ruining the forums. Otherwise there's not a lot you can do aside from ignoring them. If they are the lying trolls you say they are, they will be feeding off your negative attention, so just don't rise to it.

Guys, DON'T feed the troll.

Someone here has a badly hurt ego and he's living off all the attention you're giving him.

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Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

general-questions/topic137931.html

1. Few lying jackoffs were/are admins.
2. Apparently, it is not against forum rules to lie and treat the forum like a retard's personal toilet.
3. You have confused trolls from lying scumbucket retards. Trolls feed upon negative feedback. Lying scumbuckets feed off of sympathy and encouragement. Stop feeding what they seek and the shit show ends.

There's obviously a long history I didn't know about. The thread you linked was TL;DR for me. Either way, none of this would bother you if you were on top of your shit.

I can only assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a liar, so that must mean I'm a liar too. "Calling people out" on an internet forum is not what I would call calm unaffected behaviour. Core concept of game is not giving fuck. Y U so mad bro?

Kasabi. Bro. I agree with you, but its the internet. I vote for kasabis good samaritan honesty rule to be put right there in the forum rules but its just not managable. No disrespect, but you fringe on paranoia when you hunt liars. You can't win against human nature.

Youve been here longer than alot of people, seen and read alot of good shit and bad shit I bet, but no one is going to die. By that I mean, its not that important if someone does some bank sarging because they were so new they didnt know any better. If youre not skeptical about things on the internet, you deserve to be scammed by one of these idiots at least once to learn.
Other than that, you have to live and let learn.

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Two words: Carpe Diem

Distinguishing 'liars' from those who give advice with the best intentions can be problematic, and without a karma system in place, such as the late great reputation points, there's also no way to moderate this.

There's also bound to be a lot of subjectivity in deciding who is lying and who may just use unusual techniques that might work for that individual but not for others.

Overall I agree that less 'liars' and 'trolls' would benefit this forum, but it's impractical.

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You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

I'vê seen ,many of you have been caught in a Schizophrenic way of thinking/feeling ,

To those guys,i suggest to stop this PUA stuff,it's too powerful and seductive for you to handle,

i hope,that mostly of you are just kjokers and trolls,otherwise.....it's gonna be really dangerous....for you

What...?

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You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

One advice (among many) that the OP gave which I found just plain b.s. and so I disagreed with is that: one should wear a Rolex watch while riding a bicycle in some ski resort or something to sarge rich women.

The reputation points system is okay but I believe that has been abused to the hilt by those with several sock puppets to make it appear that one has so many reputation points earned from great threads or posts that gave great insights or practical advice.

It's easy to spot forum members with sock puppets (lying with intent to defraud). One clue is to check out the posts of a suspected forum member and look at all the other accounts praising the guy. If those are the same accounts over and over again, saying the same thing, then you've just caught a big time liar with malicious intent especially when the advice given really sucks and you're left wondering what these guys found impressive or profound in the advice that has no basis in reality at all.

The legit guys have guys disagreeing with them in one or two threads and then in another thread he has one or two of the same guys agreeing with him and praising his thread or post. And he wouldn't have the same 3 or 4 accounts over and over again saying the same praises that are worded almost exactly the same.

For instance, Skills360. We disagree on many occasions. Yet, I praise him a few times here and there because his advice that I have tested on field worked.

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Approach. Open. Escalate. Isolate

Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

general-questions/topic137931.html

I actually know a guy who sarged a rich girl. He's a natural. 22 years old and his lay count is 50+. The stories he tells is always unbelievable, but he has almost always proof. Also about the rich girl, I didn't believe him at first, but then he has shown pictures of invoices the girl payed. And his game is just the same as how he treats poor girls. His style his very sexual humor and lots of confidence. No special tactics or anything. HE broke up with HER! That's how much he doesn't give a shit, even when she's rich. The girl was 19 years old with very rich parents.

I read lots of bullshit on the forums and also in general on the internet about picking up women. I also notice many aPUA's go way too far. Way to analytical. They think everything a girl does is a game. Women are just humans too, you know.

Just be normal, have confidence, approach women and use your common sense. I know, if you gave me that advice in the beginning of my pick up adventures then I would told you to shut the fuck up and give me some real advice. But eventually it comes down to feeling comfortable in new situations, having fun and being curious.

For day game situations, you don't need much game. Normal conversations will do just fine. Night game is a bit different. The energy has to be higher and also more fun, otherwise you'll bore her to death. And that's hard to learn if you want to use verbal game, especially in a loud environment. That's why I recommend dance floor seduction. It improved my game dramatically. And almost literally overnight, but that's because I already loved to dance. I just needed a little guidance and I already could handle AA.