Long and short of it is I need ideas for very subtle sexual escalation texts.

Now the background:
I've known this girl for about 6 months in which we were just friends, I was with someone else. After the other relationship fell through a few weeks later me and the new girl we'll call her M got extremely hot and heavy for a week. I knew we where friends so I separated the sex from the actual friendship in my mind and was just having fun. Well according to her friends she caught feelings damn near right away and broke it off with me because she was scared. We still snap chatted and text all the time, but I stopped a few days ago to take some space. Well in the last two weeks of talking to her I found I actually could see myself with M so I want to try to transition. Now I want to test the waters with very subtle sexual texts before I dive in.

The reason I want to move into more sexual ground first is because I think that it would be easier for me to build a physical relationship with her first, then move her into something more meaningful. I'm not use to the being too subtle about it, the girls I usually text know exactly what's going on and I am usually very blunt with them. So anything to give me and idea on what to send her or even any other advice would be welcomed.

I have to say that simply going subtle with sexual stuff can hurt more than it can help. If you don't get it right you're gonna end up in the friendzone. A special friend-zone actually, where the girl and you can freely crack up sexual jokes with each other but she will not think about it seriously.

If you want to test the waters with something subtle, I recommend you to pair this with something else, that, in my opinion, will be more effective. Play with the frame instead. Initiate a you're boyfriend-girlfriend frame and meanwhile start sneaking in the subtle sexual things. Subtle sexual things include innuendos and misinterpreting things she says.

Just a quick example about this frame thing:

You: Imagine that you're my girlfriend. Where'd you take me on a date?
HB: Nah if that were the case you should be the one to take me out.
You: Sure thing, princess. Well I like playing pool so we'd be doing that a lot. Can you play pool?
HB: /----/
You: I consider myself quite good at it. I challenge you/can teach you. Let's meet up at XXXXXX.

Or say "I had a weird dream about you last night. ... We were actually together and was doing X and Y and it was so much fun" And concentrate on the fun part more. Just casually mention that you were together in your dream.

The thing with this is to start making her think about you two being together. As you said, she already has some feelings for you, so that is already covered. This was what I did with my current girlfriend, though it was totally unintentional haha. I thought of her as a friend and this frame was initiated just to prank our friend(with us being together) but it got out of hand and both of us started having feelings, and pretty much the first time we met up just the two of us we got together. So this is pretty powerful, if you can manage it.

On the otherhand. I have to ask an important question. Do you have other options? Because you absolutely should always have options, so don't get caught up with this one girl, or else you may develop too deep feelings too early, and you can blow it very easily that way.

Good Luck, and peace.

In$tinct.

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Thank you for the response. So looking around on here I actually saw someone post about playing 21 questions over text. I actually did this yesterday with great results with one of my other girls. Started the game early and by the time we went to eat that night I had her so hot and bothered we didn't make it to the restaurant.
So if I understand correctly what you are saying I could use the same general technique of the 21 questions game and make it more relationship oriented than sexual. So instead of "Where is your favorite place to be kissed?" I would be asking M "Where's the most romantic place you could think of for our kiss?" or something along those lines.

Thank you for the quick response it is much appreciated.

I can see both of these working. "Where is your favourite part to be kissed?" is not something I'd consider subtle anyway, so we can already say that it's avoiding complications. Probably simply pushing a strong sexual frame is simply better, then what I said. You know better, because you know the girl. You don't seem like such a noob anyway so I don't think I need to start on how important sexuality is... You have to decide that yourself, since I have no idea about this girl and how to calibrate with her.

Peace,

In$tinct.

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Thank you for the response and the advice. Ya the sexual frame is what I normally use and what I used to sleep with a different girl last night. I'm not really a noob per se its more that I read this one wrong and was basically looking for a recovery plan. I have options for sex but M is the only relationship option I have right now. So I think your comment on the framing is great advice and I will try it out. If it doesn't work oh well but thank you. The framing of the texts and interactions never really occurred to me because I always put everything in a sexual light.

So once again thank you for your response and the awesome advice.

You're welcome. By the way I'm pretty curious about how it will go, so keep this thread updated.

Good luck, mate!

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Saturday night there was a party that both M and I ended up at. She got drunk and cornered me me outside and started crying and telling me how much she thinks about me. When then used my friends room to have sex. Afterward my friend drover M and her friends home because they couldn't drive. Apparently on the way all M talked about was me so the girl that drove her home came back to the house. (She lives at the house) and I ended up spending the night with her. The next day I spent the whole day with M and part of the day with her mom. Came to find out the main reason we aren't together is because her father is extremely racist (I am black male and M is blonde blue eyes) and it has become a point of contention in their home. M's mother is the one that told me all this.
Now I am thinking about sexually and romantically escalating concurrently just for the simple fact of, I have no clue what to do from here. This is where my game falls apart, when I have a last objection to overcome before a relationship. I would say I am above average when it comes to purely physical relationships but when it starts to become more I always subconsciously fuck it up, well sometimes on purpose because I am bad at dumping girls, I always come off as a complete ass.
So I'm thinking my next move will be an invitation to some valentines day activity early in the day because I am already hosting a singles awareness day party that night.

And a quick question do you think girls believe an obviously mass snap chat is contact? I mean I have frozen her out for a couple days I think but she replies to all my snap chats that are obviously for the masses and not person specific. I even made sure to snap chat her close friends so she knows they go to everyone but can, in her mind, that still be a form of contact?
Just so you know I never directly snap chat her or reply to her direct snap chats to me.

What? Why? I don't understand.

Okay, you got the girl, and her father is an idiot. Well, that's too bad for him...

But what's with this snapchat thing? Why don't you reply directly, I don't get it... Whatever. Just keep doing what you have been doing, because it obviously works with her.

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It's very obvious now the girl has feelings for you more than sex. You are on the right track out there. As for the father, well, it would be a big issue when he finds out about you and his daughter. Are you ready to face him and all the emotional stuff you and the girl will go through?

I can sense you do have feelings for you and its mutual for the two of you which is good. As for the valentine's date? Well, go for it. Be yourself and do a little bit romantic like writing a love letter or buying her a teddy bear.

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I have the feel I'm generally headed in the right direction but I feel like I need to put her over the top to overcome the dad thing and make it worth her while. Thank you for your feed back everyone. Like I said the more relationship oriented part of everything is where my game falls apart and it is what I started learning for anyway. I'm researching coaches to work with now but since I have hit a wall here before I'm still going to update this thread so if things do go sour I have a general idea of what went wrong. This is our text conversation from last night I'll shorten it where I can.

her:I poached and egg I deserve many props.
Her: You can add that to my list of things I can cook
Me: Maybe if you can learn to cook more I might consider you girlfriend material.......maybe
Her: Potato Potato sidenote-she uses this in weird ways so I don't always get what she means by it
Me: Ooo learn to cook potatoes I love'em
Her Pshh..Can't be that hard. Put them in boiling water?
Me: Wow i have never disqualified such a hot girl from possible girlfriend status sooo fast in my life
Her: No seriously..I'm almost positive that's the way you do it
Me: There are more than one way and that's the least flavorful. Damn soo much wasted beauty
Her Ther is more than one way or there are several ways
Her: no more correcting my grammar
Me: Thank you for the correction haha intelligence is a turn on
Her: Shhtappiitt
Her: You make it a point to make me feel like a retard
Me: If I didn't think you were highly intelligent I wouldn't spend hours at a time texting and talking to you
Her: *ten smiley faces*
Me: I'm headed into a movie I'll talk to you later my little einstein
Her: Haha alright, have fun, I'm gonna go to bed then
Me: Que suenes con los angelitos
Her *ten smiley faces*

My last line is something I only say to girls that I think are actually girlfriend material and she knows this because it is something we talked about back when were just friends. I'm a little concerned with the lack of response I got to the compliments but I think it went well. Also I'm not talking to her again until monday she is going to be out of time and its superbowl weekend so I'm going to be busy with parties and such.

You're doing fine...

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Thank you for the vote of confidence. Like I said even though I think I'm doing good I've been here before and I always fuck it up. So your continued advice would be appreciated. Whne I text her monday I will make sure to again update this post.

Quickie update - I'm self employed and don't have the money for too many valentintes day activities. I've already committed saturday to another girl and friday I have the party. So I'm thinking either picnic with M on sunday (but I dunno if thats her thing) or just drop off like a flower and a card or something on friday to her and leave it at that. I am an amazing poet so I was thinking of writing a poem for her but nothing serious something that is completely a joke or at least mostly. No matter what I do I will hint at the fact that I am busy with other girls that weekend. Oh yes and the other guy that is hosting the party will not allow her there 1. because he hates her 2. I already have 2 girls that are going that I have hooked up with that he thinks they might cause problems. So if anyone has any ideas of a cheap date for sunday that would be appreciated. I'm talking $20 or less.