Most of you have probably at least seen one or two of those RSD Tyler videos on Youtube that are popping up it seems all the time.

I was watching one last night, and started to get a disturbing feeling...

The bitterness and vitriol that I've seen coming from this guy's lectures is really starting to sound more like the manosphere - that community of websites that basically say women are all conniving bitches that want to use men, the world is setup to serve them, and men have it horribly today.

He said, guys who want to "play by the rules" and be that respectful, polite guy, are smacked down girls, and told,

"Don't be getting any ideas you little dweeb! We're gonna need you to support us when we're 32, and we're done with all the hot guys!"

Guys, this is a manosphere narrative!

Basically they say that even a reasonably cute girl will party through her 20's, only give guys the time of day who are 6' 4", with a chiseled jawline, and then when they get to 32 or so, they count on some loser guy waiting on standby for them.

And this guy is generally supposed to be a schmo, never had much success with women, probably not the best looking guy out there, but now he's at least making some decent money and he's like 32 or so.

What a bunch of fucking bullshit. It's views like this that have fucked so many guys over to the point where they're so resentful they'll never get a decent girlfriend.

That "schmo" is usually not waiting on standby at 32 because he now has options. That little pipsqueak she turned down at 25 now has options.

It's funny, to RSD, when you're "this big pimp" who buys their products and follows their instruction, then girls are cool! They're awesome and always turn down guys for the right reasons. If a girl turns you down in this case, it's because you just haven't properly calibrated your game, and she's helping you! But you're still a cool guy.

But when you're trying to just be a nice guy, women are all of a sudden these using, immoral bitches who take advantage of guys and turn down every guy for the most superficial shit possible, unless of course you're said 6' 4" dude with the jawline.

What a crock!

And another thing I noticed, they showed the audience, and it was nothing but these fresh, 18-19 year old faces. There had to have been fucking high school students in that audience! I didn't see anyone who looked like he was mid-late 20's and trying to up his game a little.

This is some serious goo-goo, gaah-gaah, Mickey Mouse Club bullshit!

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If Tyler actually said that (which doesn't seem to be the narrative I normally see him adopt) then perhaps he's wisening up. Women are indeed shallow whores who, after riding the alpha cock through their 20s, will look for a beta provider. Alpha fucks, beta bucks.

poodogr, WTF are you talking about??

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http://youtu.be/eoFv41hjExE

Fast forward to 10:00 and watch.

And tell me if anyone in that audience looks older than 8th grade!

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Yeah, they do look like a bunch of kids. But why the fuck would I care about that? You are focusing on the wrong thing. Focus on what Tyler has to say, and if it doesn't do it for you, that's ok. Find something that does.

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No it's all good. I guess I was just noticing how the churn we see in pickup really scoops down younger and younger for the new people in, which kind of makes me think RSD is catering to a more entry crowd now.

Their stuff used to really do it for me too though, and once I saw this onslaught of videos I thought this would be great, but its all like conference rooms slammed with little kids and the topics are all of these intro type subjects that seem geared for people who've never approached before.

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Tyler's main problem is babbling on irrelevant tangents.

Julien's videos are better. He gets straight to the point.

Yeah thats true, i like his videos more too.
But honestly he is way over the top sometimes...Like seriously...There is a video (cant find it right now) where he tells you to finger a girl on the dance floor while making out with her even though you just met her 5 minutes ago...Like common man...That has NOTHING to do with pick up in my opinion. Thats just using a drunk ass slut. Thats nothing you can be proud of. And there are many many videos like this. His style is just very aggressive.
He should try some normal daygame on the street or in the supermarket or whatever and not going the easiest way fucking a drunk slut in a night club. im very very sure this is not what most guys are looking for.

So thats basically what i dont like about RSD. In terms of pick up they seem to be focused on fucking a girl as fast as possible no matter how, and not on how to get a girlfriend for example.
What i do like though are Tylers motivating videos about life in general. When he talks about realizing you dreams or overcoming fears (not just with women, but in general) or to keep moving when you are stuck at a certain point in your life...Really great motivation there...

Girls don't fall in love with the guy who defends women's rights who treats them with the utmost respect at all times. It's not that girls want assholes, they just want excitement and unpredictability. Stability makes them feel safe but in reality, they don't want reliability and stability, they want passion and excitement. Julien is a master in his understanding of this.

You can finger a girl in the club if the vibe is right. Calling girls "sluts" prevents you from getting laid and is disrespectful to women. Are you a slut if you get a blowjob in the club? Nope, you're a stud.

As for what most guys are looking for, I assume you mean an awesome girlfriend? Well that awesome girlfriend will never fall in love with you until you fuck her brains out. As Julien points out, take action first, then calibrate afterwards. So in this case, fuck first, then calibrate after if you want a girlfriend.

Well thats your opinion. Thats not a fact. I can only speak from my experience and from what i DO KNOW from my friends around me... Most of them and i mean like 90% got together as a couple or decided to be "exclusive" before they even had Sex with that person. They dated, hung out more and more and more...kissed for the first time, then the first "i love you" comes up and thats when they all knew "we are a couple now"

You basically say a girl can only love you when you fuck her like a freaking cave man...Common man...Do you even realize what you are saying there?

Well, in the very least, sex should come early. Within 3 dates max. If after the 3rd and you haven't or she's been cold to it, you've got to ask yourself if you're just ending up as friends here.

That's not being a chauvinist or disrespectful; it's just straight up; you've got to ask if your goal is to be a fundamentalist religious couple and save it for marriage, or are you legitimately just on the path to being buddies?

No reason why the first kiss can't come at the end of date 1. Girls everywhere will admit a lot of guys don't get a callback after date 1 because they didn't even go for the kiss.

RSD's approach to "sex to get a relationship" is controversial and I've always had mixed feelings about it.

GUY: "Hey, so we've only known each other two days and I've fucked your brains out, we've obviously got sexual chemistry, oh and guess what? Now I want to take care of you."

GIRL: (tearing up) "Oh my god!! Yes! Of course I'll be with you!"

Now this sounds perfectly logical. The only things is, I've never seen it. Like JDQatar, the vast majority of my friends got sex after getting close to the girl first and then becoming exclusive.

What does RSD say about that? They make it look like this:

GUY: "My little sweet! I want to take care if you and give you this and this and this; oh, that's of course not because I'm compensating for anything! I'm a high value guy who's worth a relationship!"

That's fucking unfair, biased, and pussy. That's pretty much pushing the idea of not even bothering to be successful in life or look for monogamy with a girl. I know there's the whole "do it for YOU, not to get the girl" and that's true.

But Tyler himself admits that ppl take his programs and say: "Man, now that I 'know' money won't get you a girlfriend, I don't even want money anymore."

How fucked up is that??!!

If you want to fuck a bunch of club sluts as fast as you can, then that's certainly one way you can do it. Some PUA focuses on that; I suspect that that angle on pickup might appeal more to the horny little high school virgin crowd, hence RSD's perpetually younger crowds.

Personally, that's not for me; as Neil Strauss even put it in "The Game":

"Of course these girls were all seeing other guys too. I didn't give a shit"

Yeah, that's not for me.

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Unless you are a teenager or you live in a small conservative Christian community, a girl's heart will always follow her clitoris.

The kind of love you are talking about is like brotherly love between siblings. It's dangerous territory when a couple become "best friends" for so many reasons: lack of freedom, familiarity breeding contempt, the platonic (almost childish) friendship between lovers destroying the sexual chemistry, the man slowly losing his alpha power / leadership the more he submits to his woman, thereby becoming un-sexy in her eyes. etc. The list goes on.

The qualities you look for in a woman like unconditional love, trust and loyalty etc. are not as high on the list of priorities for a girl seeking a man, this is why many girls tolerate their man cheating (whereas men rarely tolerate their woman straying).

If a girl had to choose between 2x identical twins, she will choose the one who is independent, has drive and ambition in life, the guy who provokes wonder and excitement, the guy in demand, the guy who leads (not follows). She does NOT want the predictable guy who swears he will love her forever and dedicates his entire waking life to serving her needs.

Good sex / hard orgasms, staring into your lover's eyes and french kissing are all scientifically proven to deepen a girl's feelings for you. Girls don't fall for the guy who does nice things for her and tries to impress her with his knowledge of science or politics. She falls for the guy who appeals to her EMOTIONS, not her logic. Why do you think girls love cliff-hanger storylines, Hollywood movies and celebrity gossip? They crave the rollercoaster of emotions and they love the guy who can provide those emotional highs and lows. The beta guy who gives her unconditional love and stability is also of high value to her, but he doesn't make her pussy wet. So Tyler's example of girls getting with a beta provider is one of the few times you will see women making a decision based on logic instead of emotion. They rationalise "Oh he has a good job and he will never cheat on me" instead of "He is so sexy I want to suck his cock 24/7". These type of relationships often end when the beta guy finds out his girl has been fucking an alpha on the side.

As for the argument about using RSD / sex to get a relationship, you're not describing the situation properly. The idea is to get the woman emotionally invested in you, partly through good sex, so that SHE chases YOU for a relationship. Don't beg it.

Look, most guys are not going to be able to be "that guy" plain and simple.

That guy who consistently, regularly pulls very attractive women for sex, same night, by going into bars, clubs, and on the street. Let's be real now.

All the 8th graders getting into this who think they will be, were sold a bill of goods.

Doesn't mean you can't be that fun-loving, interesting, sensuous guy who fucks girls after date 2 or 3. And you haven't gone beta because you haven't opened your wallet or paid for shit.

Yeah, sure, you can then go monogomous by looking for substance first.

Despite your best efforts and being as alpha as you can be, she can still leave you for a dude, who's more alpha than you. There's always a dude out there who's taller than you. At least that's how it's been in my experience. This could happen to anyone, not just beta-male chump providers.

I've been in this since 2007, and I've just found the getting to know her first, then sex, is a little more of a realistic approach for me YMMV. To be honest, Qatar (Qatar??!) Is probably coming from the more conservative side of the fence, so what he's advocating probably isn't what I'm talking about.

I split the difference really. I've found it best to get her used to me, get to know her a ittle, then sex is a forgone conclusion. This is totally different from a lengthy, platonic courtship, to the extremes that Hunter characterizes.

As for the "losing out to more alpha guys, and turning to a career/provider status instead" I get pretty fucking put off by how they characterize us, for focusing more on a career when we have trouble getting traction in pickup. I built up my career and started making the good money for all the right reasons.

I wasn't gonna be this heavy guy with a blonde Mohawk, loud, flamboyant, extroverted, getting girls to laugh and blush everywhere I went (Lukealicious). But there were other things I could do.

I was busting my ass through the late 2000's trying to apply and learn this stuff, and I was frustrated as fuck why I just couldn't get a foothold!

I just kept losing out to taller guys, everywhere I went. When girls turned out to be seeing another guy behind my back, or they turned me down in favor of another guy, this other guy was never less than 6 inches taller than me.

- They'd see right through me, and talk to my 6' 4" friends instead who were all rugby players.

- They'd ask our mutual female friend who was trying to set me up, "How tall is he?" Then when she'd find out I was shorter (I'm 5' 9") than her ex who left her, "sorry, not what I'm looking for."

- A steady girl I was with for the better part of a year started seeing her ex behind my back, then eventually left me for him. He was a foot taller than me.

And with her, I definitely didn't lose out by being the beta provider because I was a full time grad school student, not even working! We even had that talk one time, "I don't care", she said.

So I got resentful. "These snotty little fucking cunts!" I thought, "They've got all the options in the world; so I'm just gonna focus on my career, for one, I love money and I love nice things, and travel, and your professional status/salary can be an indicator of your value."

Don't misread that; your money and job isn't your value, but its a signal of your value. If you're in a room, or fuck, a whole town, with jacked up dudes all a foot taller than you, you're gonna need something else than your winning charm. The more signals you have, the better.

And so now, its working out for me.

This is why I'm put off as fuck when we get insulted for going after our careers and making a comeback, or for looking for substance with a girl before you try to sleep with her.

You're either

1. This awesome dude who can take hot girls he doesn't even know, home from clubs, and fuck them good, or

2. A beta male little bitch who thinks dating a girl first to make up for his shitty bar/club skills is gonna work.

IMHO, Tyler has no business teaching self-helpish/business advice to guys; he's only gonna fuck 'em up more. He should stick to teaching 8th graders how to bed hot club sluts. And this is coming from a guy who likes a lot of Tyler's earlier stuff.

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For the record, I'm 5'8" and I've lost count of the number of times a girl has either picked me over taller guys or times I've cheated with a girl whose boyfriend is taller / richer / better-looking / more jacked than me. I can feel the frustration in your words, because you're sick of being the short dude. Girls can feel it too, that's why they keep ditching you for taller guys. It's your "small man syndrome" / inferiority complex which is turning girls off. It's not about how tall you are or how big your cock is, it's about how comfortable you are with your own height, size and status.

A good career is great, but you should be driven by the desire to provide an awesome lifestyle for YOURSELF, not by the desire to use your wealth / status to attract a higher class of woman.

Yep. Well with me anyway, it was more like "Oh really? I can't have that? Girls are out of my reach? Well I can do *this* instead!"

Then a little later on, life's going way better, cooler lifestyle, and I'm like, "Wait a minute, where did all of this female attention come from?"

Kind of like how RSD would say some guys aren't into personal development and they hate their lives, can't get girls, but then they realize they can study personal development, improve their lives, then suddenly they're more attractive to all of these women. "Whatever works man."

Another reason why I think RSD really had something a few years ago.

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