I'm fairly new to this but I've been on this forum for a few months now. I have had an amazing learning courve from a regular guy to a successful guy. I am not by a long shot a PUA like yous, but still I have been around. But now I want more. I want a relationship, and it is with a girl who does not seem that much intersted, altough we are friends (I know, the forbidden word).

So, in the real world, in the world of effectively caring for a girl and wanting to be with her in a serious comitment and not a one night stand, do the rules of pick-up still apply? May it be worth it (even if by a long shot) to keep her around in hopes she changes her mind? And if so, how do I create some attraction?

Some of you guys say being friends with a girl is 70% of the way to get her in bed. How do I go the next 30%? I tried being more sexual, she is not responsive to that. Any tips would be much appreciated, just don't say "next her" or "game other girls". As I said, I want her for a relationship, not a one night, so I am not nexting and I don't mind waiting. I'm a patient man. And I DO game other girls and NO, pursuing this one DOES NOT get in the way of me gaming others. If anything, being seen with her has DHV'd me to other girls I game.

Thanks for reading!

Interesting question - whether pickup carries over into relationships. For me - yes, sort of... But it's mostly in self-improvement areas

I did pickup years ago. Got into a relationship, got out of a relationship and then picked it up again... Lurked here for about a year then joined up. Dated, sarged, online, offline, daygame, nightgame, etc... And now I'm in a relationship again...

And yes, I use pickup principles in that relationship... Obviously not to pick up the girl I'm already with, but as a model/guide for respect, being the prize, being in charge and keeping a level mindset.

I also find this forum provides an outlet to bounce ideas off some other people and get opinions.



As for your other question: Flirt your ass off, make her laugh, touch her as much as you can... you need to make yourself appear to be a sexual option and not her brother.

This may not be the answer you want... But its the answer you need...

In order to get into a relationship, in my opinion, you have to be hooking up with alot of girls.

This is what worked for me...

First, I'll tell you a bit about my relationship with my current girlfriend and then I'll tell you how I got it...

My girlfriend is amazing to say the least. She's beautiful, supportive, outgoing, caring, loving, nurturing, and we have GREAT sex... We never fight or argue. She's more of a "team mate" than anything else. We compliment each other extremely well and have a healthy relationship that most people dream of.

Here's how I did it...

I won't use her real name so lets call her Lauren...

Lauren and I met at an invite only Halloween Party 3 years ago. We were at a club that a friend of mine had rented out downtown Chicago. I was actually having a pretty rough night. (as far as game goes) I couldn't get a set to stick and nobody was really being receptive. I kept going though... I was leaning against a pool table in the downstairs area of the club, talking to a few of my friends. (at this point it was 2 am) I saw Lauren eye fucking me the entire night and she was walking past me at the pool table. I reached out, grabbed her hand, pulled her in, spun her around, (so her back was facing me) wrapped my arms around her, said some shit that I really can't recall (and probably didn't make much sense anyways) and within about 6 minutes I had taken her upstairs to a couch in a closed off area. We wound up having sex and after a few minutes there were 15-20 people around us just watching the show that was set up infront of them. It was literally like College Fuck Fest. I had a guy in a grim reaper costume standing right next to me waiting to tag in. There is video of this spectacle somewhere so unfortunately, I will never be elected president. Poor me...

The next day, I drove her home and we wound up having sex the entire afternoon at her house. I got her number, left, then went home and showered. We continued to hook up on and off for about 2 years... We were just fuck buddies.

Now, in the mean time.... I was still going out and hooking up with other women. I don't really do the whole "one night stand" thing. (You seem to think that girls fall off the face of the earth after you have sex... They don't. Usually, if the sex is good, they will keep coming back and wanting to hang out with you more and more.) So after going out for a while, I had developed this "circle" of anywhere from 3-6 girls that I was sleeping with on a regular basis. Lauren became a part of that circle.

After awhile, I started to realize that Lauren was what you would call "girlfriend material." I made her prove that to me... One thing led to another and we decided that we wanted to be exclusive to each other. She had EARNED the role of being my girlfriend. She worked for my full attention and now she has a man that she is proud of.

You're not realizing that most girls (granted she is decent looking) have guys wanting to marry them constantly. You being her "friend" just puts you into the same category as the rest of those chodes.

So my advice to you is to go hook up with other girls. I know thats not what you wanted to hear.... But that's what you need to do if you want a good relationship. Setting your sights on one girl to lock her down will only make her either use you or make her cheat on you. Let her be the one to bring up a relationship AFTER you have been having sex for a while... Keep it casual at first and then get more serious. There is nothing that creeps a girl out or turns her off more than a guy who is getting too serious too fast. In your case, you haven't even slept with this girl yet and you are already wanting to wife her down... What if the sex sucks? What if you guys can't stand each other?

As of right now, you are not a sex worthy man in the eyes of this woman. Show her that you are a sex worthy man by hooking up with other girls and basically forgetting about her. Start your relationship off as a sexual one, then make it more of a "friend" relationship.

Hope this helps you out

I do not think Pick Up is applicable to a relationship other than keeping your morals and not letting someone walk all over you.

The games you play should be left when you're picking someone up but in a relationship... totally different game.

Well, it depends.

I could describe my girlfriend pretty much the same way TheMajikalMethod described his girl (dude, if you ever run for president, you have my vote). My girlfriend is, above all, my "partner in crime", the person I can rely on. Even on a professional level we make a good team.

Although I did started things off the other way around. I met her a few months ago at an internship program. We worked together for a few weeks, hit it off pretty good, she was acting all interested but always ended up flaking. At the time she had a on/off jerk boyfriend, so I assumed she was still hung up on him. Anyway, I recieved a full time job offer and left the internship early. Since I did not had to see her everyday and the risk of making things awkward was out of the way I amped up my game. She is a text freak so I turned to text game. Pretty explicit ones Eventualy, she stopped replying. I thought "fuck it" and forgot about her for about 2 or 3 weeks. One day I was driving past the building where we had our internship, started thinking about her and thought I might as well give it one last go. I texted that I was near our old work and I would like her to come for a drink at a rooftop lounge a few buildings away. She agreed. When we were there, I made some cheesy PUA coment. I think the only table available was one with a seat facing the wall, so I gave her the good seat and sat facing the wall. She said something like "you are missing out on a great sunset" and I said something like "you are prettier than a thousand sunsets". She then said something in the lines of "you are always saying stuff like that and I never know if you mean it or you are just using me". Long story short, she is kinda shy, has been burned before and my game made her think I would just fuck her and dump her. I cleared the air, said I really liked her, we went out a few times before having sex and so far it has worked great, on many levels.

My story is kind of an exception rather than the rule, for most cases you should do what TheMajikalMethod said and start off at a sexual level, but it goes to show that every girl and situation is unique and there is no recipie. For what you wrote I gather you have a good sense of the principles of pickup, so keep gaming other girls, try out dferent things until you find a crack in her armor, and then exploit it.

As you said, 70% of the work is done. Maybe you need to work out, or invest a bit on your image, or maybe you are just her safety net and she doesn't want to risk your friendship, going after you the minute you get a gf.

Good luck!

You are right, it's not what I wanted to hear, but it is what I expected.

So far I have been around when she needs, if it does not interfere with my life. When I am busy I leave her hanging.
I keep being sexual and bring it up to conversation. When she brings it up, I always step up to it.
I make a point of letting her know I have other options. Sometimes when I go out with a girl, I ask for her opinion on my outfit or choice of place. I also text girls in front of her and when one calls I answer it.

So I pretty much keep doing what I am doing and hope for the best. Kinda like "have fun with the wrong girls wheile you wait for the right one"...

Any more opinions would be much apreciated.

Short answer: All rules of pickup applies as long as you haven't had sex with the girl, so do everything you can to become better at game, to become an alpha male:

http://www.traitsofthealphamale.com/77/ ... lpha-male/

One thing that you can and should change - don't text other girls in front of her, don't ask her for her opinion about your dates, and do not show her that you are interested in others. I know that you are trying to display preselection here, but you are doing it wrong and it has the opposite effect. It should be the other way around - the girls should text you, call you and chase you, while you remain uninterested in them and don't answer them back. You need to show "Lauren" that she is special in your eyes, not like all those girls (this doesn't mean that you should be needy and chase her though). You should have the attitude "oh no, not yet another girl, she is such a pain in the ass" when you receive a new message on your phone.

I can recommend the book The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene.

i duno everyone makes their own choice. can't really tell you to get a relationship or not get a relationship

Had to bookmark. Majikals post is probably the best post ive ever seen on this website. Thanks for giving us some good insight bro

Thank you! In fact I have recently started reading The Art of Seduction. Funny thing, acorging to that list I already have 19 or 20 of the 25 Alpha Male traits. I only need to work a bit on my body lenguage.

Anyway, I understand what you are saying about preselection. Meybe I come off kinda sleezy always chatting with different girls. Although I do try to show she is special to me. I'm still calibrating on that delicate balance between the "I really like you" and "You need me more than I need you" attitude. I forgot to mention earlier, but I've also been doing some light kino and slowly escalating. I've been doing it slow because I want do be sure I do it right and not blow it off on a rookie mistake.

As I said before, I have kinda been her shoulder to cry on (when it does not interfere with my life) and more than once she has shown me texts she has exchanged with her friends, for diferent reasons. Once it was a fight with her best friend and she wanted my opinion on how to handle it, the other time it was a chain with a work colegue who is about to be fired because she always arives late and constantly calls in sick and still thinks my "Lauren" is overeacting when she warns her. Maybe it's my natural Alpha leadership and cunning mind at work. One can only hope That being said, a few days ago some girl I tried gaming a few months back and since then has ignored my messages, blocked me on facebook and refused my calls texted me out of the blue saying she is unemployed and if I can put a good word with my boss. Obviously I told her to fuck off. Would it be good to share this with my target? I mean, she is the one who started sharing her problems with me, so it's only logic if I do the same, and by showing how I firmly turned down a request from a very hot girl who used me in the past I show some Alpha behaviour, kinda in a way of "I've been around for you, but don't think I would do it for anyone or let anyone walk over me". Just thinking out loud here since you mentioned alpha attitude. Would it be a good move or should I just drop it? For the record, I would not have normaly done it. It's just a crazy idea I just had.