Hi guys

Haven't posted in a while been to busy out in the game

SO I really want to talk about the morals of this game especially when it comes to girls with boyfriends!

I have found mixed messages in other posts and I don't know what to run with.

I am not interested in the boyfriend destroyer techniques this is more about pure philosophy/morals.

So here are some scenarios

1. Do you knowingly fuck a girl/wife with a boyfriend/husband if she doesn't hide the fact and wants to?

2. Is it ok to fuck a girl with a boyfriend/husband if the girl does not tell you but you know 100% she has one?

3.If no for no.1 then as PUA is it your duty to find out if she has a boyfriend/husband?

4. Sort of an extension of above. Girls can shit test with the I have a boyfriend so sometimes you can't know if they do or not, do you still plow ahead (knowing your going to fuck her)?

The reason I bring this up is Scernario 2 happened to me at a wedding last week. Basically my whole family even my grandma was telling me to get in there (no shit)! except my sister who has been in a long term for 3 and 1/2 years said not too because of what happened to me. I didn't do it , but I still have the chance to(she facebooks me and txts).The only reason I didn't/don't do it is because I was played (badly) with my long term girlfriend and was hurt like a sissy ( she was my first true love, I've ever had to this day). I acted out because I was young, immature and took it out on the guy (expelled from school for beating the guy to a pulp) so I know the hurt of it.

BTW this isn't the first time either every time a girl with a bf wants it I have said no, I am starting to think maybe I am missing out. . .

Sorta just need some convincing points guys on yay or nay!

If this out there already would appreciate a link please

cheers

ok here it goes.....its a very mixed thing....my view on it is i would NEVER and i mean NEVER talk to a girl with a bf no matter how bad the relationship is, because i've been hurt extremely bad by my ex gf, (i have a semi hatred for women because of it) but i don't want any dude to feel the same as i felt......now if she was perfect for me and she has a gf i would try to get myself friendzoned so when he's out the picture i would be right there (pathetic i know).


now here's the other thing....its a pua technique to get a girl while with her bf, its basically being so charismatic that the guy even wants you (crazy but it actually works) its basically when you say alot of charming stuff get both of their numbers and only text or talk to the girl...the girl and guy will leave thinking wow he's an amazing guy not knowing the true evil intent lmao
what im trying to say is it seems like alot of dudes on here don't care. its kinda like a you snooze you loose thing, or a "one man's trash is another man's treasure thing" where if he doesn't treat her perfect i will come and taker her away....you don't have to make the guy look like shit to do it just be everything he's not......mainly works with them super assholes or super nice guys..........

now i have a friend who is very wrong. he had sex with this lady who was married with kids.....AND PREGNANT.....and ultimately broke up thew marriage.....worst thing about it is, he doesn't care at all


so what im trying to say is it might be morally wrong to you but if you do it nobody will think that bad of you.

but if you really want to do it just tell your self she will be better with me, im way better than this guy, he doesn't deserve her, i bet sex with me would feel better, if everybody is telling mt to do it then it must be destiny

without sounding like a woman hater most women are very emotional and can be manipulated into cheating easy, remember there are women out there who literally have it all (money cars cothes a nice husband and everything) and will still cheat.....shit its not even just women all humans cheat, men will have the sexiest girl in the country but if the sexiest girl in the world comes knocking on his door i guarantee you he will cheat if he knows he won't get caught....its human nature to want it all lol

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Here's what I'm going to tell you. Act like you want, but don't hurt others if you can't take the consequences.

Personally, I don't give a flying fuck about a girl having a boyfriend. Meanwhile, I don't blame the 3rd party if my girlfriend cheats on me. So the only thing that's important I think here is to not have double standards... What goes for you, should go for everyone else, and vice versa.

Peace,

In$tinct

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I don't care about anybody else. If she has a boyfriend/husband and she wants to fuck me, then that's the chicks problem. That's on her. I don't know these boyfriends/husbands and couldn't care less about them.

All I care about is me.

I agree with what In$tinct above said. If I had a girlfriend and she fucked another dude, I wouldn't be mad or angry at the guy at all, only the girlfriend.

New to the forum, so I don't think I am an expert at anything, but I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. Was in a relationship for 4 1/2 years(first love, and all that good shit) and then she cheated on me. I actually posted a topic about this same thing today too haha.

Anyway, what I would say, much like the person who commented on my topic, if she has a boyfriend, put yourself out there as an option. Don't actively search for people in a relationship and fuck it up. That's just a dick move. That being said, if you end up fucking a girl who won't tell you that she has a boyfriend but you do know she has one, go for it. But, if you knew who her boyfriend was, I would tell him as bad as that sounds. 1) You get to fuck her 2) You save that guy from going through an even worse time down the road. Again this is HIGHLY dependent on the type of girl this is (if you can tell she is pretty slutty, it is safe to assume she will screw someone else)

Basically, you need to set your own standards, which seems like a hard thing to do. It is a grey area when doing this type of thing and is definitely highly subjective and can change your views on women very quickly.

Best of luck.

If the boyfriend/husband is fucking the girl properly.... She won't cheat.

If he's not fucking her properly, then it is my obligation to do so.

Some guys need to learn the hard way that they aren't treating their woman correctly.

Any relationship is a two-way street. You give some, you get some.

Therefore, it's a man's moral obligation to fuck his girlfriend or wife properly so she won't cheat.

It's the same thing with pretty much everything else. If you're in business and you suck big time in taking good care of your customers, then your competitor is going to take those customers away from you. It isn't immoral at all.

If you're a boxing champion and all you did was fuck women instead of focusing on your training, then the #1 contender who will take away your championship belt has the moral obligation to train harder so he can take away your belt.

If you don't take care of your electric bills, then the electric company has the moral obligation to cut off your power line.

Think about it.

What's more immoral than mistreating women in the sex and love department? If you can't fuck women good, don't understand them well, or don't treat them right, then it's my moral obligation to give your girlfriend the orgasms and emotional roller coaster ride she isn't having with you at all.

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Cheers for the reply fullahs

Thanks for helping on my quest to get a better understanding of the PUA.

To be honest guys and in all respect before I go any further, some of you guys have said you are morally obliged to fuck her (if she comes onto you I take it?) can I get an answer on why do you think its your moral obligation to fuck her, and is that if you know she has a partner or if you don’t?

Is it the PUA way of ‘leaving her better than you found her’ theory or something else?

And some of you have said you couldn’t give flying fuck haha or leave it up to the chick its problem; I wish I could think like that. I’m sure I would have a lot more options and pussy under my belt, not to mention the girls realising that there a sex gods and true lovers of woman out there !

I guess why I don’t think like that is because not all people are mature enough or PUA to think ‘What am or did I do wrong” for instance. .

What if you knew the girl’s partner was a psychopathic killer or just came out of jail for assault or a mad scientist who because of this decides to blow up the world?

What I’m saying is you can’t no what the situation or problem is behind her cheating ways. If she is coming on to you and you know she has a partner, if by thinking you are morally obliged to fuck her, does this then not show low value or AFC thinking not PUA (leaving her better than you found), because you are validating her bad behaviour regardless if she is satisfied or not sexually and/or love matters?

^^^^ So this is the only thing holding me back from all those milfs out there really.

But I agree if she is satisfied she will not cheat.

Hehe, hey mate. You know here at PUA, the majority of people love women. I personally love them. And I hate it when a cute woman doesn't get treated well. Whether it's abuse, or not getting fucked properly, it's all the same for me: She deserves better. That's why it is morally the good thing.

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You're watching too many movies and not going out enough.

I take good care of my fitness and health (all PUAs should). I used to go into this karate gym for quite a few years where we fought each night at the minimum 25 different guys at one minute each not including the 3 to 5 minute bouts with someone bigger, stronger or more skillful than you. Out in the streets, the untrained guy has no chance whatsoever in a face-to-face physical confrontation. He'll run out of breath after throwing 20 to 30 punches and usually can't take the pain from an uppercut to the chin or a shin kick to his hamstrings.

Trained martial artists are in the minority (less than 1% of the population). So you'll probably be handling untrained hot heads out in the streets rather than defending from a Brazilian Jiujitsu black belt. Moreover, your odds that a mad scientist will blow you up is VEEEEERRRRY slim.

As for leaving the girl better than when you found her, at least you've let her experience several orgasms that she never had. As for bad behavior, stop blaming the girl for cheating. It's most likely her bf's lousy, non-competitive behavior why she's cheating.

If you're fit enough to bang pussies real fast and real hard when and where it counts and you treat girls properly, then you'll be fit enough to defend yourself from a low testosterone, 'psychopathic killer' who pops his load in less than 2 minutes.

People who neutralize psychopathic killers and those who want to blow up innocent people are, in fact, doing the world a favor. Notably, it's very unlikely for guys like Adam Lanza or Ed Gein to have any girlfriend at all. Likewise, although guys like Ted Bundy or Rodney Alcala are known ladies' men, they are really not the type who keep girlfriends (alive).

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I think if the boyfriend is so much trouble, I mean really dangerous, then 9 out of 10 times the girl herself is either too terrified to cheat, or she'd tell you to get off if you don't want to die... In any case I have never met psycho boyfriends, and to be honest, I don't quite know how much women I've banged who had boyfriends. Most of the time that I closed, this topic didn't even come up, so I have no idea whether those women were taken or not.

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that's not true at all my friend......girls find plenty of reasons to cheat, i was a marriage councilor assistant once and i've heard several girls tell the councilor that their sex life was amazing but they just needed something more so they cheated with _____.......basically women either just want the rush of cheating or they just want to feel wanted and loved by more than one guy......iv'e heard very stupid reason why women cheat while the main reason i heard men cheat is because they're wife/girl is bad at sex, or there's a sexier girl showing them more attention, or they're just completely miserable and can't take it anymore....remember alot of women get manipulated by emotions so they can have the perfect life and see a movie about cheating or their friends tell them to cheat OR a new guy shows them attention and they will do it


im just going by my experience of what i've heard

but its never that simple

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There's this Youtube video of a researcher who got fed up with the strong disconnect between what women say and what they do. Her experiment was to let several women watch porn and then interview them afterwards if they got turned on by the film.

The thing is, this study was a LOT different than the usual interview-type or questionnaire-type of study. The researcher placed measuring devices in women's vaginas to test for wetness.

What's funny in the video was that one woman was saying she's grossed out by the film and was not turned on at all and yet the device sensed that her pussy was dripping wet from watching the film. This was true for all of the researcher's test subjects.

All of them said they were not turned on at all and yet the devices said otherwise.

That's just one example of course. A lot more empirical evidences are saying the same thing: what women say is actually different from what they do or feel when it comes to relationship issues. Savvy researchers use equipment and devices such as MRIs to test whether what women are saying are congruent with what they're doing or how they're feeling.

Hint: What women are saying to marriage counselors after the fact ARE different from what they're saying to the guy they're cheating with in the middle of a good fuck.

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so basically even if a woman is pleased she wants more......sounds about right

or women lie?? also sounds about right

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

It's not about women lying actually.

When a woman says she's fine, her nonverbal signs say she's not. What she says verbally is different from what she communicates non-verbally. So women do not actually 'lie'. They always tell the truth through their body language.

Maybe the marriage counselor failed to read the non-verbal signs and just relied on the verbals.

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